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Beason interception was cover 3, not Tampa 2, they had three safeties on the field during the play.

Kuechly was actually on a low zone to protect against the screen, his man ran out of his zone and he made a great play. It wasn't however Tampa 2.

Dude stop lying to yourself Beason drop back to cover the seem route of the TE. With 2 deep safeties over the top. We were in a cover 2.

Same on the Kuchely play where he was covering the flat.

I know you need to be right but you're not.

Ron runs a variation of the Tampa 2, the 3-4 with some of JJ blitz packages sprinkle in.

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a rotation of sheldon richarson and kwame geathers with hardy, dwan and cj would be crazy.

kwame at nt against the run

richardson at nt against the pass

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lol kkl do you even know what a cover 2 is?

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Dude stop lying to yourself Beason drop back to cover the seem route of the TE. With 2 deep safeties over the top. We were in a cover 2.

Same on the Kuchely play where he was covering the flat.

I know you need to be right but you're not.

Ron runs a variation of the Tampa 2, the 3-4 with some of JJ blitz packages sprinkle in.

Watch the Beason play again, your wrong it's a cover 3. There's 3 deep safeties on the play.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000062538/Saints-vs-Panthers-highlights

check the video out at 3:12, there's 3 deep safety's there. That's a cover 3 coming out of a 3-2-6 formation.

Difference between a cover 2 and Tampa 2 is that the MLB hook coverage is deeper (roughly 11 yards deep). While the OLB's handle anything to the outside and stay close to the LOS to protect against dump off's and screen's. The corners play zone and stay out in the flat to under zone areas, only going about 7-10 yards deep with the WR. The two deep safeties are intended to cover the whole field side line to side line and take any routes on the outside past 7 yards.

Same concept with a Cover 2 (shown below) Except that the MLB doesn't go back as deep with his hook zone (only about 5-7 yards deep) everything else is pretty much the same, except the OLB's take on more responsibility and are deeper down the field while the corners stay in the flat to protect against dump off's and screens.

The similarities between the two is that they are types of coverage's not defenses.

cover2_medium_medium.gif

http://www.bucsnation.com/2010/5/12/1466315/tampa-2-defense-explained

The Kuechly play was Cover 2, not Tampa 2. You can tell because Keek's hook zone drop isn't that deep down the field. His guy leaves his zone and he recognizes where the QB is going and makes a great play on a bad pass.

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lol kkl do you even know what a cover 2 is?

I know what a cover 2 and Tampa 2 is.

The difference is based on the depth of the drop of the MLB.

But thank for the drop in post.

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Watch the Beason play again, your wrong it's a cover 3. There's 3 deep safeties on the play.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000062538/Saints-vs-Panthers-highlights

check the video out at 3:12, there's 3 deep safety's there. That's a cover 3 coming out of a 3-2-6 formation.

Difference between a cover 2 and Tampa 2 is that the MLB hook coverage is deeper (roughly 11 yards deep). While the OLB's handle anything to the outside and stay close to the LOS to protect against dump off's and screen's. The corners play zone and stay out in the flat to under zone areas, only going about 7-10 yards deep with the WR. The two deep safeties are intended to cover the whole field side line to side line and take any routes on the outside past 7 yards.

Same concept with a Cover 2 (shown below) Except that the MLB doesn't go back as deep with his hook zone (only about 5-7 yards deep) everything else is pretty much the same, except the OLB's take on more responsibility and are deeper down the field while the corners stay in the flat to protect against dump off's and screens.

The similarities between the two is that they are types of coverage's not defenses.

cover2_medium_medium.gif

http://www.bucsnation.com/2010/5/12/1466315/tampa-2-defense-explained

The Kuechly play was Cover 2, not Tampa 2. You can tell because Keek's hook zone drop isn't that deep down the field. His guy leaves his zone and he recognizes where the QB is going and makes a great play on a bad pass.

I'm on the phone so I can't post the video. But please watch the Urlacher int of Peyton in the Superbowl and Compare it with the Beason play and you can see it's the same drop and assignment by the MLB. And both were Tampa 2 plays.

But even with that do you really believe we run more of JJ's defense then the Tampa 2?

Better then that do you seriously believe we weren't running a Tampa 2 this year?

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The Beason play is off of this defense and if you check the video when you get home you'll see it's a cover 3 with 3 deep DB's.

cover3q.jpg

That's not the exact personal they used, but the play is the same. Cover 3 with a 3 man rush out of a 3-2-6 or 3-3-5 formation, corners take the deep outside while the FS takes the middle. LB's handle the under zone, below the Deep coverage with the other CB's taking the flat's.

Like I said the Tampa 2 is a type of coverage, not a base defense. It's exact requirements for it to be a Tampa 2 are 2 deep safeties with a Deep MLB playing anywhere from the Under zone to deep middle between the safeties zone's. The Play that Beason get's his interception on is clearly Cover 3 of some sort.

The play Carolina uses the majority of the time is Cover 2 not Tampa 2 coverage, I'm not saying they don't throw Tampa 2 in there as a coverage scheme every now and then, just that neither of those 2 plays are Tampa 2 coverage.

I'm so much a football junkie that I seriously (no kidding here) have a playbook that I designed because I wanted to get into coaching when I was in my early 20's. Offensive playbook is about 750 plays deep and revolves around having a mobile QB to run the system while the Defense is about 150 Play's deep with about another 50 variations of plays, around 200 total plays. Heavy blitz scheme running out of a hybrid 3-4/ 4-3 under defense. (I was enamored with the way Pittsburgh played defense back then)

Yes, I'm a loser and a nerd with no life. lol

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And The Saints had the #1 offense and still had the same record as us.

So defense is still kinda important.

Their whole team was in disarray last year. They won a super bowl not too far back and a perennial playoffs team since payton's been the coach.

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