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What happened to the Warmack bandwagons?

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Citing "whispers around the league," ESPN's Adam Schefter hinted on his blog that Alabama OG Chance Warmack could be in for a draft-day mini-slide.

Schefter believes it "wouldn't be completely shocking" if Warmack were available at the Cowboys' No. 18 overall selection. Warmack is a lock first-rounder, but keep in mind many pegged David DeCastro as a top 10-15 pick last April and he lasted to the Steelers' pick at 24. Guard is not a coveted NFL position. Apr 5 - 2:55 PM

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I still want his fat ass as our RG

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Nah. Warmack is by far the better prospect. I really think he might go in the top 10.

Cooper is an exceptional athlete but I think he is bottom 1st or early 2nd simply because you have to be a superfreak to get drafted high at OG.

Depends on what a team is looking for in their G. War back is more if a big road grader. Cooper is a good run blocker but is more athletic in pass protection.

I could see either as the first guard off the board....just depends on what team pulls the trigger on a guard.

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He won't be our 14th pick. Look at the Giants draft history, don't think they've taken any guards in the first 3 rounds, let alone mid first round.

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Depends on what a team is looking for in their G. War back is more if a big road grader. Cooper is a good run blocker but is more athletic in pass protection.

I could see either as the first guard off the board....just depends on what team pulls the trigger on a guard.

true.

also, zone blocking schemes would probably value cooper more. the eagles would be more interested in him than warmack.

those two aren't going to be listed in the same order on boards on every team. it all depends on what they are looking for there.

and then for them in general...it all depends on the priority that teams put on the position at all. they might be considered the best players in the draft (hard to qualify that, but whatever) or just light years ahead of the rest in their class (which is doubtful), but if OG just isn't a high priority on team's lists, it doesn't matter how good they are. for that price and the price of future contracts, that position just isn't seem to be worth it. that's why people are talking about them falling and why decastro fell last year.

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Depends on what a team is looking for in their G. War back is more if a big road grader. Cooper is a good run blocker but is more athletic in pass protection.

I could see either as the first guard off the board....just depends on what team pulls the trigger on a guard.

Fair enough. You have already exceeded my analytic ability of OG prospects.

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Exactly. Analysts just hear the NFL guys raving about a prospect and don't take into account the position he plays. You'd never see a kicker, punter, or FB mocked in the 1st round. Yet they can't get it through their thick skulls that interior OLs almost never go in the top half of the 1st. Elite ones go around 20ish, very good ones go jear the bottom of the first, and there will be years when none go in the 1st at all.

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What gets me is the fact that 1/2 this damn forum is all over how bad our offensive line was. Yet no one thinks taking Warmack or Cooper is a good idea. No way either of these two fall out of the first round. And definitely not to 44.

Gettlemen is a from an organization that believed in strength in the LINES. IMO Warmack and Cooper are definitely an option in there. I would say that if either is available we will take one of them before we take Richardson at DT.

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What gets me is the fact that 1/2 this damn forum is all over how bad our offensive line was. Yet no one thinks taking Warmack or Cooper is a good idea. No way either of these two fall out of the first round. And definitely not to 44.

Gettlemen is a from an organization that believed in strength in the LINES. IMO Warmack and Cooper are definitely an option in there. I would say that if either is available we will take one of them before we take Richardson at DT.

no one really thinks that they will last into the second round, esp. to 44. i just said that's about where i would feel comfortable drafting them.

i, along with most people, just don't see the sense in drafting an OG in the first round. it just doesn't make that much of an impact compared to other positions.

do we need help at RG? absolutely. do we need to be reaching up into the first round to get it? nah....not when you can find solid players elsewhere.

regardless, we haven't met with any OG that is slated to go anywhere near the first round. the only OG we talked to is

Edmond Kugbila and i had to do a cut and paste on that because he's nowhere near a household name which lets you know how seriously they are looking into picking up an RG in the first. they have talked to lane johnson and dj fluker, tho, and fluker is believed to be someone who could make the shift to RG, but i don't know that is what we had in mind when we met with him.

and yes, gettleman does come from an organization who believed in the strength of their lines...but what did they have invested in them from a draft pick standpoint? they haven't drafted an OL in the first round since 1999 and the last OT was in 1988. they just have had the view that you can wait and address it later and they trust their judgement...and gettleman was part of that braintrust. he knows what pro-level players look like and he knows that you can find them later as evidenced by all pro and pro-bowl OL and esp. OGs being drafted in many different rounds.

i just don't think it's the first round priority or even will be a tendency to draft OL in the first. it for sure isn't necessary.

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So one of the best guard prospects in years and played for a national championship team isnt worth 14th overall pick or a first round pick but a 5'8 slot receiver is???.....................Great huddle logic.

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no one really thinks that they will last into the second round, esp. to 44. i just said that's about where i would feel comfortable drafting them.

i, along with most people, just don't see the sense in drafting an OG in the first round. it just doesn't make that much of an impact compared to other positions.

do we need help at RG? absolutely. do we need to be reaching up into the first round to get it? nah....not when you can find solid players elsewhere.

regardless, we haven't met with any OG that is slated to go anywhere near the first round. the only OG we talked to is

Edmond Kugbila and i had to do a cut and paste on that because he's nowhere near a household name which lets you know how seriously they are looking into picking up an RG in the first. they have talked to lane johnson and dj fluker, tho, and fluker is believed to be someone who could make the shift to RG, but i don't know that is what we had in mind when we met with him.

and yes, gettleman does come from an organization who believed in the strength of their lines...but what did they have invested in them from a draft pick standpoint? they haven't drafted an OL in the first round since 1999 and the last OT was in 1988. they just have had the view that you can wait and address it later and they trust their judgement...and gettleman was part of that braintrust. he knows what pro-level players look like and he knows that you can find them later as evidenced by all pro and pro-bowl OL and esp. OGs being drafted in many different rounds.

i just don't think it's the first round priority or even will be a tendency to draft OL in the first. it for sure isn't necessary.

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I hear you.

Outside of Star and Sherif there really isn't a player I think is worthy of #14. Everyone is all over the balls of Austin and I am not sold. They rant and raved about M. Crabtree when he came out of Cincinnati. It took him 4 seasons before he finally broke 1000 yds receiving. Granted he finally got a QB that would throw him the ball. But part of it is it took him that long to be a star. I feel the same about Austin. It isn't like Austin played in a great conference against great talent.

I would prefer to opt out of 14 and trade down. If a trade doesn't happen then any player we take is going to be a reach at 14. No matter who we take, including Austin, Patterson or Keenan. Cooper and Warmack are beast and probably as NFL ready as any other choice.

I will say this. I doubt I would be upset at any pick we took as long as it isn't QB or a Kicker.

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i think people are expecting too much from a #14. they are looking through the eyes of a team that has been picking in the top 10 for a while. they are expecting top 10 talent, which you most likely aren't going to be finding at 14.

at 14 there's a lot of possible good starters at several positions. beyond just a handful of players at the top of this draft, there's really not a whole lot of separation between the next bunch of players you're going to find in the next round and a half and i think that's the reason for a lot of the dislike of the players available when we pick...it's not head and shoulders above talent you can find later, but that's more to do with the talent in this draft than lack of talent at 14. we can trade back and still do well, but even if we don't we'll still be picking up a really good player/starter.

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