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#31 SuperJTheGreat

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:03 PM

Only after we've taken the 5th year option on his rookie deal and placed the franchise tag on him for about 3 years or so. At this point he will be 30 years old and it would make sense to let him walk instead of giving out a massive, multi-year deal.

If at any point during those remaining years does he win a Super Bowl, then JR will hand him a blank check.

or he can hold out and demand a trade. Or play just to get his. or miss a game every other week due to injury(?). Those ankle and shoulder sprains can be chronic, you know. Tagged players who wants out don't play through injuries, their prior performance speaks for itself. They're just trying to get out. Lol

Those franchise tagging also cost; it would also cost the panthers at least 18-20mil per tag(average of top 5 QBs). 20mil to a player missing 6-8 games? Don't think so.

The last thing a franchise need is a disgruntled superstar QB. A disgruntled QB is not gonna win you your super bowl for you. Remember Carson Palmer?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:26 PM

Just because Jerry Jones has proven that he is a crazy old man, and Steve Biscotti arguably overpaid a guy who came to the bank during the perfect storm doesn't mean that a conservative owner and conservative GM are going to get stupid when negotiating Cam's contract.

If Cam wins the Super Bowl, he should get paid like a top tier QB, until then he should get paid fair market value just like all the rest (as well he should). Cam seems like a reasonable guy that has a certain level of loyalty to the organization, as well as a humility and sensibility to his nature. I don't see him holding out for the highest bidder, but if he does, then everyone will just have to do what they have to do. At this point, I don't see him going anywhere.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:40 PM

LOL, Cowboys... Jerry Jones makes Hurney look like Ozzie Newsome.

Just finished reading about how the Cowboys have nothing to show for their 2009 draft class, when they had 12 picks! Not one starter or even a solid backup out of 12 picks!

They might have found someone good in the 1st round in 2009, but they traded that pick to Detroit for Roy Williams... BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA


Wow....even Jerry Jones should be smart enough to fire himself.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 09:38 PM

I don't think this is that big a deal mainly because we already saved 40 million or so when we drafted because of the new rookie wage scale. Almost every franchise QB will be getting these monster contracts from here on out as long as there are teams out there that don't have a franchise QB. So, the going rate will be that someone out there will pay those crazy number.

At least we have a superstar QB who has a great chance to be worth that type of money. God help us if we had to pay a Romo type QB that much.

The new rookie wage scale was supposed to allow more money to go to the veterans who have proved themselves. Instead, it seems it's going directly to quarterbacks.

Also, the market will settle a bit by the time we give Cam his huge contract in that other positions will start to see less money since QBs are being paid so much. It'll be the norm to have your QB take up 20% of your cap and other positions will see less.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:00 PM

Only after we've taken the 5th year option on his rookie deal and placed the franchise tag on him for about 3 years or so. At this point he will be 30 years old and it would make sense to let him walk instead of giving out a massive, multi-year deal.

If at any point during those remaining years does he win a Super Bowl, then JR will hand him a blank check.


This guy^^^^^^^

He gets it.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:18 PM

i figured that was a player, not team option. Id like for us, if we have a winning season, to go ahead and lock it up long term after this year.


Heh no, players don't get a "player option for a 5th year". It's a team option, I think the 5th year would be something like the average of the top 10 QB annual salaries or something like that, aka a poor man's franchise tag that isn't called a franchise tag.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:56 AM

This is about to be a serious domino effect

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:36 AM

Hes 23 now. Next year (the last year of his deal) he'll be 24. two years max on tag puts him at 26 how is that about 30. Wtf are you talking about?


His birthday is in May so he will be 24 by the start of his 3rd year. We have an option for a 5th year (which we will most certainly take if we don't reach an extension) on his rookie deal. That would put him at age 25 in year 4 and 26 in year 5.

There is no "max" on the number of times a certain player can be franchised. The amount of the tag increases with each consecutive year that the player has been tagged but you can continue to tag them as long as you want.

Year 1 of the franchise tag - Cam will be 27
Year 2 of the franchise tag (at a price of 120% of the previous year) - Cam will be 28
Year 3 of the franchise tag (at a price of 140% of the previous year) - Cam will be 29

Year 4 on the tag would be something like 160% of the previous year value, which would almost certainly be too high of a price to pay for any player that will be 30 years old when the season starts.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:40 AM

or he can hold out and demand a trade. Or play just to get his. or miss a game every other week due to injury(?). Those ankle and shoulder sprains can be chronic, you know. Tagged players who wants out don't play through injuries, their prior performance speaks for itself. They're just trying to get out. Lol

Those franchise tagging also cost; it would also cost the panthers at least 18-20mil per tag(average of top 5 QBs). 20mil to a player missing 6-8 games? Don't think so.

The last thing a franchise need is a disgruntled superstar QB. A disgruntled QB is not gonna win you your super bowl for you. Remember Carson Palmer?


If he refuses to sign the tag, then he doesn't get paid.
If he holds out, then he gets fined.
If he constantly misses games due to injury, then he won't get the big money deal that he wants on the free market.
If he becomes a distraction in the locker room, then he risks becoming the TO of QB's and teams will be afraid to bring him in on a long term deal.

As for the price, that's what top QB are making nowadays. It's what will we have to pay to sign him long term too.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:54 AM

if he is a franchise QB why would you allow him to walk at 30?

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:08 AM

if he is a franchise QB why would you allow him to walk at 30?


By this point in time, it would be his 4th franchise tag. That tag would have an astronomical, team crippling value. If he hasn't agreed to an extension by this point, he probably hasn't won a Super Bowl. Division championships are probably few and far between as well.

If he does win a Super Bowl or multiple division championships then JR hands him a blank check and we aren't talking about this.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:34 AM

By this point in time, it would be his 4th franchise tag. That tag would have an astronomical, team crippling value. If he hasn't agreed to an extension by this point, he probably hasn't won a Super Bowl. Division championships are probably few and far between as well.

If he does win a Super Bowl or multiple division championships then JR hands him a blank check and we aren't talking about this.

and Romo hasnt done those things, but yet is considered a franchise QB (paid like one). you do not let franchise guys walk for nothing, especially a QB. this team already did that with another player.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

Only after we've taken the 5th year option on his rookie deal and placed the franchise tag on him for about 3 years or so. At this point he will be 30 years old...


Sure, just a couple small issues... the Panthers would be complete morons to sit back and wait until 2014 to exercise that option because talk already is that Gettelman will start looking at a new deal this coming season. Wait until that last year to exercise the option and the damage will have been done and Cam simply holds out.

The other thing is.... franchise tag. Sure, how'd that work out when Carolina tagged Peppers? Paid him a ton for relative non-productivity.

Good luck with your theory, though. My guess is Cam has a new deal this year or before the start of the 2014 season, otherwise he's outta Charlotte.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:40 AM

and Romo hasnt done those things, but yet is considered a franchise QB (paid like one). you do not let franchise guys walk for nothing, especially a QB. this team already did that with another player.

Sure, just a couple small issues... the Panthers would be complete morons to sit back and wait until 2014 to exercise that option because talk already is that Gettelman will start looking at a new deal this coming season. Wait until that last year to exercise the option and the damage will have been done and Cam simply holds out.

The other thing is.... franchise tag. Sure, how'd that work out when Carolina tagged Peppers? Paid him a ton for relative non-productivity.

Good luck with your theory, though. My guess is Cam has a new deal this year or before the start of the 2014 season, otherwise he's outta Charlotte.


Obviously, my scenario is contingent on the inability for team to reach an agreement to a contract extension with Cam. My comments were directed at everyone that believes Cam will do everything in his power to get the hell out of Carolina as soon as his rookie deal is up.


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