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#46 TheRumGone

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:50 PM

Funny thing is nowhere in the op did I praise Hurney. I just said the escape route was already put in place by the same cap guy (rob Rogers) who is in place now. I said the moves were not something that took some masterful GM powers to make, as evidenced by more than a few posters predicted them to happen before they did.

The inconvenient part was that its fun to claim Hurney is the worst ever( I def. see the argument for it) but at the same time Gettelman has made the same moves that were pre arranged by Hurney/Rogers to get us under the cap.

Basically many praise Gettelman for getting us under the cap, when the blueprint was already laid out by the most hated person on this board with the assistance of Rogers.

Does that make sense?


I think bottom line is Panthers fans have a bad taste in their mouth from Hurney. We're not used to a good GM. So when i use words like masterful, it's because I'm so use to Hurney making the wrong decisions.

How were these moves pre-arranged by Hurney? He just signed Anderson to that 5 year contract in 2011? Gamble? Yea, maybe Hurney would have cut him. But, you seemed to brush over the signings Hurney made and you say he would have made the same choices as Gettleman has made this year? Hurney gave money out with his heart, not his head. He was a fan GM. The facts lay that out.

Some of your proclamations i think are just interpreting the facts wrong. But that's just my opinion.

And for you to make this thread telling people to "quit exaggerating" when in my opinion you are exaggerating your claims is well, you probably know the word. People like what they see now because this is how a real GM operates. You evaluate and value players based on your head and not your heart. Hurney never did that. This little bit of time we have seen Gettleman work has already shown he is the opposite. Although, working out that Syracuse QB had me scratching my head.

#47 Frash Brastard

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:55 PM

Don't blame people for being lazy because you don't know how to captivate readers

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

I think bottom line is Panthers fans have a bad taste in their mouth from Hurney. We're not used to a good GM. So when i use words like masterful, it's because I'm so use to Hurney making the wrong decisions.

How were these moves pre-arranged by Hurney? He just signed Anderson to that 5 year contract in 2011? Gamble? Yea, maybe Hurney would have cut him. But, you seemed to brush over the signings Hurney made and you say he would have made the same choices as Gettleman has made this year? Hurney gave money out with his heart, not his head. He was a fan GM. The facts lay that out.

Some of your proclamations i think are just interpreting the facts wrong. But that's just my opinion.

And for you to make this thread telling people to "quit exaggerating" when in my opinion you are exaggerating your claims is well, you probably know the word. People like what they see now because this is how a real GM operates. You evaluate and value players based on your head and not your heart. Hurney never did that. This little bit of time we have seen Gettleman work has already shown he is the opposite. Although, working out that Syracuse QB had me scratching my head.


Cutting Gamble and Edwards had to be done and I like to think any gm would have done so to get us under the cap. Thats what I refer to as prearranged moves.

I do you see your point otherwise and see the error of my ways, so congrats on being the first to logically and successfully help see things a little more clearly from an opposing perspective.

Thank you.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

Don't blame people for being lazy because you don't know how to captivate readers

It's a fugging message board. Why be such an asshole, fug we root for the same team.My post are made with the intent of gaining knowledge and sharing knowledge with other fans. This was me voicing my opinion, not stating facts so I did not mislead anyone in that regard.

If you feel that much of a need to be a prick to a stranger online...nevermind. Carry on. You enjoy it and thats all that matters.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:02 PM

take some delicious frosted corn flakes, put them in a huge bowl, whip it out and piss all over them. lol

its too early for this....


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:04 PM

P4L what do you think the Syracuse QB workout was all about? I think smokescreen is ridiculous. Teams know we have a franchise QB and that guy is projected to be a 1st/2nd round talent.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:08 PM

P4L what do you think the Syracuse QB workout was all about? I think smokescreen is ridiculous. Teams know we have a franchise QB and that guy is projected to be a 1st/2nd round talent.

Is this a trap lol? Honestly did not know about it until now, covering all of our bases I suppose if he happen's to be far and away BPA and falls to the 4th or something.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:13 PM

Gettleman has done a fine job so far but let's not get carried away. Let's see what else he has up his sleave.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:13 PM

whole lot of yelling to start off the thread and a whole lot of words and probably a whole lot of unnecessary research.

hurney would have spent more money on individual contracts and would have made cap room by extending players and/or pushing back money to later years rather than shorten them.

hurney also would have paid munnerlynn more and would have made extending greg hardy one of the top priorities, and its doubtful he would have let gamble go. hurney also wouldn't have been this active because there's no way he would've freed up the money gettleman.

so go ahead and keep on with this delusion that hurney is no different than gettleman and stressing yourself out unnecessarily. meanwhile I'll be sitting here with the family chilling out and not stressed and happy and glad that we don't have hurney as GM signing ridiculous contracts and have now a GM who can get the job done without mortgaging the future.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

whole lot of yelling to start off the thread and a whole lot of words and probably a whole lot of unnecessary research.

hurney would have spent more money on individual contracts and would have made cap room by extending players and/or pushing back money to later years rather than shorten them.

hurney also would have paid munnerlynn more and would have made extending greg hardy one of the top priorities, and its doubtful he would have let gamble go. hurney also wouldn't have been this active because there's no way he would've freed up the money gettleman.

so go ahead and keep on with this delusion that hurney is no different than gettleman and stressing yourself out unnecessarily. meanwhile I'll be sitting here with the family chilling out and not stressed and happy and glad that we don't have hurney as GM signing ridiculous contracts and have now a GM who can get the job done without mortgaging the future.


This post cofirms that I failed miserably at conveying my thoughts. Was never a dig at Gettleman nor the heap of praise upon Hurney some interpreting it to be.

Heres a more simplistic way of saying what I tried to in that wall of text:
Gettleman is doing good so far..no moves I personally could not imagine Hurney making. I do believe Gettleman has the experience and expertise to smoke Hurney in the long run but hard for me to fathom why some think he's the Cam Newton of GM'S in roughly 2 months time.

Guess I am jaded. I was pumped about Clausen when we drafted him and I was pumped about Rivera when we hired him,now I am more cautiously optimistic.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:24 PM

This post cofirms that I failed miserably at conveying my thoughts. Was never a dig at Gettleman nor the heap of praise upon Hurney some interpreting it to be.

Heres a more simplistic way of saying what I tried to in that wall of text:
Gettleman is doing good so far..no moves I personally could not imagine Hurney making. I do believe Gettleman has the experience and expertise to smoke Hurney in the long run but hard for me to fathom why some think he's the Cam Newton of GM'S in roughly 2 months time.


Some people take the TL:DR to heart. I knew what you were trying to say, Hurney was just such a fugtard people reacted that way.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:28 PM

Hurney was beyond bad as a GM and should been got canned, but i do agree with the OP as far as sitting back and waiting to see what he does first before i crown him as the best GM ever.what he does next offseason will really show where his talent is.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:36 PM

Some day when you are snowed-in or home with the flu, search the forum for "Hurney is a cap guru", "Hurney is one of the best in the league managing the cap", or something of the like.

You'll have the time of your life and be feeling better in no time.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

Some day when you are snowed-in or home with the flu, search the forum for "Hurney is a cap guru", "Hurney is one of the best in the league managing the cap", or something of the like.

You'll have the time of your life and be feeling better in no time.


I swear I did just that, and the first thread that comes on google is this. Classic.

or at least step down to a salary cap guru again.

This team really could use a firm authoritative figure at G.M. with a better pedigree of football knowledge. This team as a whole is lacking leadership in a major way. I understand the big cat likes to stay out of the limelight and I am totally ok and actually prefer that as well.

Hurney has caused major damage to this team by sacrificing the future with the trade for Everette Brown and now the one for A.E.

I didnt mind the trade up for Otah because we really were in the "win now" mind state at that point.

Things have since gone down hill and as Mr. Scott eluded to earlier we should have gotten rid of Fox this year. Hurney either didnt have the power, the balls,foresight, or some combination of these to pull the trigger.

I have lost faith in him as a G.M and his ability to properly handle our drafts.

We started to clean house with the players this year, now need to finish the job by cleaning out the front office



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

First of all Rob Rogers the cap guy who at the very least assisted in setting these contracts up helped Gettleman navigate them. Fans on this message board called the moves that he made in advance, because they were no brainers.

How can you say these names he brought in are light years ahead of what Hurney looked for??

I agree with your bolded part.


I'm not attacking your post. I'm just providing my 2 cents much like yourself. However, the reason the new guys brought in are light years ahead is because the people we have signed have either had some success or experience to share. A quick search of most of our recent free agents are a hodge podge of nobodies that were cheap and seemingly just to pacify fans because they were areas of need. I'm not all that mad at hurney or excited a out gettelman. I guess my point is this is what we have and I can relate with this guy because he made the moves most of us wanted made. In the past too many fa periods passed with unfulfilled wishes. Lets just agree to support our new GM until he gives us reason not to.


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