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Greg Cossell talks top WR's and DT's for this draft.

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the more I hear about Patterson the less and less I want him, we aren't known for developing receivers, and this kid is going to take a lot of work

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the more I hear about Patterson the less and less I want him, we aren't known for developing receivers, and this kid is going to take a lot of work

But you get called a hater if you're concerned about his flaws.

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I don't think it's about "hating", it's about legitimate concerns. We only have 5 picks. We gotta make 'em count. If we were the 49ers coming off of a Super Bowl appearance and having 14 picks to play with, it'd be more tempting to roll the dice on a prospect like Patterson. We just have too many holes to fill and too few picks to do it with to take such a big gamble.

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I don't think it's about "hating", it's about legitimate concerns. We only have 5 picks. We gotta make 'em count. If we were the 49ers coming off of a Super Bowl appearance and having 14 picks to play with, it'd be more tempting to roll the dice on a prospect like Patterson. We just have too many holes to fill and too few picks to do it with to take such a big gamble.

Tell this to the Pro Patterson group. Where have you been the last month when I was getting torched for the same opinion?

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Steve Smith credits Proehl for making him a better receiver and route runner. As do Tory Holt and Issac Bruce. I'd say that's a pretty good track record for helping young WR's out and making them better.

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But you get called a hater if you're concerned about his flaws.

You're a hater because you never shut the fug up about it.

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I don't think it's about "hating", it's about legitimate concerns. We only have 5 picks. We gotta make 'em count. If we were the 49ers coming off of a Super Bowl appearance and having 14 picks to play with, it'd be more tempting to roll the dice on a prospect like Patterson. We just have too many holes to fill and too few picks to do it with to take such a big gamble.

Why is it a gamble? This isn't a playoff team right now and it isn't close to being one. There's way to much of a lack of talent at key positions. There's issues on the OL at RG and RT, there's age and health issues at LT. There's issues at LB with health, there's issues in the secondary with no starting caliber players at all at CB or safety. There's a lack of a starting caliber DT on the team as well. WR talent is shallow and the one good player is a getting old. There's question marks along the coaching staff and what the direction of the team is going forward.

Oh and then there's the flat cap and a group of 5 that take up an increasingly large part of it over the next few years.

It's development and rebuild time, there's nothing wrong with taking a wr that's going to take time to develop when the whole team needs a huge talent influx and it's going to take a few years to replace the damage done by the lockout and previous poor drafting.

Team needs,

Starting RG, RT Future starting LT

Starting WR, future wr #2 or slot receiver.

Starting DT, Starting NT, future starting DE plus depth all across the line.

Starting caliber backups at SLB and WLB, depth for ST

An entire starting caliber secondary

There's too many holes to think this is a playoff team and this draft isn't the one to replace most of them with. It's weak as hell and there really isn't too many sure fire things in the draft. No DT's, No OL, No CB's or LB worth a 14 pick that are expected to be there. You simply have dream scenario's of some one falling that's a top prospect or take a chance on a safety or WR really at 14.

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Why is it a gamble? This isn't a playoff team right now and it isn't close to being one. There's way to much of a lack of talent at key positions. There's issues on the OL at RG and RT, there's age and health issues at LT. There's issues at LB with health, there's issues in the secondary with no starting caliber players at all at CB or safety. There's a lack of a starting caliber DT on the team as well. WR talent is shallow and the one good player is a getting old.

Exactly. You made my argument for me. We have too many holes on this roster to take a huge gamble at #14 on a player who is a raw project.

We have the hardest thing to find in football - a franchise QB. Any team with a franchise QB isn't far off from the playoffs.

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Exactly. You made my argument for me. We have too many holes on this roster to take a huge gamble at #14 on a player who is a raw project.

We have the hardest thing to find in football - a franchise QB. Any team with a franchise QB isn't far off from the playoffs.

Umm, playoff's this isn't a playoff team. Like I said it's rebuild time, time to rebuild around Newton and get him some guys that are explosive on offense so they can develop together while slowly replacing the talent on defense and in other places. Cam will be on his second contract before this team has enough talent in place for him to be effective. We've done seen what happens when Cam tries to do everything on his own like other franchise QB's, the team losses. Right now there isn't enough pieces in place to help elevate him up to the top echelon of QB's in the NFL.

Doesn't matter if the player you take makes a huge impact year 1 cause most of them don't at the Panther's key area's of need. It's development time, just need to wait it out so the new front office can fix the mess that's going to keep this team down till 2015 or so.

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Steve Smith credits Proehl for making him a better receiver and route runner. As do Tory Holt and Issac Bruce. I'd say that's a pretty good track record for helping young WR's out and making them better.

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I disagree. With the right moves, this team can compete for a playoff berth right now. On average there's a 50% turnover in playoff teams year to year. We have a franchise QB. We have two good RBs. We still have an elite WR in Steve Smith and a very good TE in Greg Olsen. Gross is a still a serviceable LT and we'll be getting our All-Pro center back. On defense, we have a very good LB corps and two very good DEs. We've added some pieces to compete in the secondary and brought back a solid DT in Dwan Edwards.

Add another WR, RG, and DT and I honestly think this team can compete for a playoff spot RIGHT NOW. We lost a ton of games by one TD or less last year. Hopefully Rivera and company are better this season in late game situations and hopefully some young guys currently on the roster will take a step forward.

But, I refuse to be a part of this defeatist attitude that we're a lost cause and we are years away from competing. We aren't. We competed last year, we just didn't finish games.

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we've been rebuilding for the past 2-3 years. anyone who says we're not close to being a playoff team is a fool. we finished 7-9 last year and with a little luck it could have been 8-8, 9-7 or even better.

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