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Greg Cossell talks top WR's and DT's for this draft.

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koolkatluke    474

I don't think it's about "hating", it's about legitimate concerns. We only have 5 picks. We gotta make 'em count. If we were the 49ers coming off of a Super Bowl appearance and having 14 picks to play with, it'd be more tempting to roll the dice on a prospect like Patterson. We just have too many holes to fill and too few picks to do it with to take such a big gamble.

Tell this to the Pro Patterson group. Where have you been the last month when I was getting torched for the same opinion?

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carpanfan96    1,471

Steve Smith credits Proehl for making him a better receiver and route runner. As do Tory Holt and Issac Bruce. I'd say that's a pretty good track record for helping young WR's out and making them better.

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TheRumGone    14,371

But you get called a hater if you're concerned about his flaws.

You're a hater because you never shut the fug up about it.

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carpanfan96    1,471

I don't think it's about "hating", it's about legitimate concerns. We only have 5 picks. We gotta make 'em count. If we were the 49ers coming off of a Super Bowl appearance and having 14 picks to play with, it'd be more tempting to roll the dice on a prospect like Patterson. We just have too many holes to fill and too few picks to do it with to take such a big gamble.

Why is it a gamble? This isn't a playoff team right now and it isn't close to being one. There's way to much of a lack of talent at key positions. There's issues on the OL at RG and RT, there's age and health issues at LT. There's issues at LB with health, there's issues in the secondary with no starting caliber players at all at CB or safety. There's a lack of a starting caliber DT on the team as well. WR talent is shallow and the one good player is a getting old. There's question marks along the coaching staff and what the direction of the team is going forward.

Oh and then there's the flat cap and a group of 5 that take up an increasingly large part of it over the next few years.

It's development and rebuild time, there's nothing wrong with taking a wr that's going to take time to develop when the whole team needs a huge talent influx and it's going to take a few years to replace the damage done by the lockout and previous poor drafting.

Team needs,

Starting RG, RT Future starting LT

Starting WR, future wr #2 or slot receiver.

Starting DT, Starting NT, future starting DE plus depth all across the line.

Starting caliber backups at SLB and WLB, depth for ST

An entire starting caliber secondary

There's too many holes to think this is a playoff team and this draft isn't the one to replace most of them with. It's weak as hell and there really isn't too many sure fire things in the draft. No DT's, No OL, No CB's or LB worth a 14 pick that are expected to be there. You simply have dream scenario's of some one falling that's a top prospect or take a chance on a safety or WR really at 14.

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LinvilleGorge    14,660

Why is it a gamble? This isn't a playoff team right now and it isn't close to being one. There's way to much of a lack of talent at key positions. There's issues on the OL at RG and RT, there's age and health issues at LT. There's issues at LB with health, there's issues in the secondary with no starting caliber players at all at CB or safety. There's a lack of a starting caliber DT on the team as well. WR talent is shallow and the one good player is a getting old.

Exactly. You made my argument for me. We have too many holes on this roster to take a huge gamble at #14 on a player who is a raw project.

We have the hardest thing to find in football - a franchise QB. Any team with a franchise QB isn't far off from the playoffs.

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carpanfan96    1,471

Exactly. You made my argument for me. We have too many holes on this roster to take a huge gamble at #14 on a player who is a raw project.

We have the hardest thing to find in football - a franchise QB. Any team with a franchise QB isn't far off from the playoffs.

Umm, playoff's this isn't a playoff team. Like I said it's rebuild time, time to rebuild around Newton and get him some guys that are explosive on offense so they can develop together while slowly replacing the talent on defense and in other places. Cam will be on his second contract before this team has enough talent in place for him to be effective. We've done seen what happens when Cam tries to do everything on his own like other franchise QB's, the team losses. Right now there isn't enough pieces in place to help elevate him up to the top echelon of QB's in the NFL.

Doesn't matter if the player you take makes a huge impact year 1 cause most of them don't at the Panther's key area's of need. It's development time, just need to wait it out so the new front office can fix the mess that's going to keep this team down till 2015 or so.

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IamSoClutch    774

Steve Smith credits Proehl for making him a better receiver and route runner. As do Tory Holt and Issac Bruce. I'd say that's a pretty good track record for helping young WR's out and making them better.

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LinvilleGorge    14,660

I disagree. With the right moves, this team can compete for a playoff berth right now. On average there's a 50% turnover in playoff teams year to year. We have a franchise QB. We have two good RBs. We still have an elite WR in Steve Smith and a very good TE in Greg Olsen. Gross is a still a serviceable LT and we'll be getting our All-Pro center back. On defense, we have a very good LB corps and two very good DEs. We've added some pieces to compete in the secondary and brought back a solid DT in Dwan Edwards.

Add another WR, RG, and DT and I honestly think this team can compete for a playoff spot RIGHT NOW. We lost a ton of games by one TD or less last year. Hopefully Rivera and company are better this season in late game situations and hopefully some young guys currently on the roster will take a step forward.

But, I refuse to be a part of this defeatist attitude that we're a lost cause and we are years away from competing. We aren't. We competed last year, we just didn't finish games.

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nickzz    1,191

we've been rebuilding for the past 2-3 years. anyone who says we're not close to being a playoff team is a fool. we finished 7-9 last year and with a little luck it could have been 8-8, 9-7 or even better.

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LinvilleGorge    14,660

Also, don't forget that we basically threw away the first half of the season when Chud had his head up his ass and was trying to run that triple option bullshit. We were a MUCH better team when we went back to running our standard offense.

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carpanfan96    1,471

The team's LB corp is a stone away from being down to just Kuechly and scrubs. The team has no safety on the team that should be starting in the NFL, a bunch of backup CB's and nickel guys. A aging we don't know what were getting cause the wheels could fall off at anytime WR and then no one. (we've got a QB, a TE and 2 RB's who have the worst rush OL in the league to run behind)

The defense also has no NT (unless you count Kearse) and an aging DT in the other spot. (We've got DE's and a LB here)

So that's a QB, a TE, 2 DE's and a MLB, Can't count on smitty (He's my favorite player on the team) but each year he's slower and slower and drops more and more passes. As much as I like Kalil (one of the best Centers in the NFL) He's a pulling guy to be effective in the run game and with no one on the right side he isn't likely to be effective at that. The right side of the OL is horribly porous and suck's in Pass protection and is likely to get cam killed.

Can't count on TD and Beason, no telling if they can stay healthy. Team hit the lotto once with Davis, not sure it can happen again. (Hope it does though) The last few years Beason seems to get injured from tackling..lol

What part of that sounds like playoff's? This team even with added players from the draft is relying on players to fill key roles that are just as likely to get injured as they are to make a tackle.

As for the rebuilding the last 2-3 years, yes the team has. It be closer to being done though if the 2011 draft wasted wasted minus Cam and it's still to early to call on last years draft. The failure of adding other players around Cam in the 2011 and 2012 draft delays the rebuilding project at least another year though

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DaCityKats    1,262

he can develop and contribute at the same time. his potential is through the roof, he could come in and be your #3 WR in Training Camp.

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