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#37 MadHatter

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:24 PM

I'm sure you would like to put me in a corner

We managed without these stupid tests for quite a while, although you may be unaware due to your repeated demonstration of a lack of historical knowledge. Back in the olden days of beepers and Nirvana, principals and school staff were somehow able to eliminate bad teachers. Schools with overall issues like graduation rates, violence. poor parental feedback had their administrative staff replaced. You know, kind of like how our great capitalist system works.

Even the Republican morons in office today introducing stupid new laws on "tenure" (which is not what people apparently think it is here in NC) acknowledge that there is not really anything to go on with this idea, like everything else, its a pandering law to demonstrate that lawmakers are hard on lazy, mostly Democratic voting, freeloading teachers who would join an America hating union if not for their valiant efforts.

Again, you show yourself as you tell us that you don't trust a teacher or a school to tell us how our kids are doing, but Big Government is doing that just fine.


The standardized testing was put into place because you cannot compare a grade at one school to the same grade at another school. Why do you think colleges put a lot of weight to SAT's and ACT's? Because they are a method to evaluate what a kid learned and measure all kids equally.

But hey.....I guess you know more than all of those pesky universities too.

Your ignorance is just amazing.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:46 PM

Oh, so what you are saying is that we already have a system in place for standardized testing where it counts.

Thanks.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:19 AM

why are school boards and council people so afraid to focus on the at home break down of education?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:06 AM

Garner isn't a rich area CWG...

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:48 AM

why are school boards and council people so afraid to focus on the at home break down of education?


Because that is not politically correct. It will focus the accountability on the REAL problem....which is lack of good parenting.

Whether people want to accept it or not, schools and teachers can only create an environment that is condusive to learning. They can bring the material to the students, but they CANNOT make them learn.

The focus and dedication for a child to learn comes from home....plain and simple.

The breakdown in our education system is directly correlated to the breakdown in the family unit. Too many kids today are coming from broken homes....homes where their parents barely know where their kids are and certainly don't give two shits about what they are doing in school.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:50 AM

Oh, so what you are saying is that we already have a system in place for standardized testing where it counts.

Thanks.


God you are a complete fuging moron.

You actually believe that having SAT/ACT college admission testing as a Junior or Senior of High School is an effective system in place?

Yea, let's wait until a student is a junior in high school and takes the SAT/ACT to identify that they did not learn what they needed to....a little late by that point.

I would prefer to identify where students are slipping much earlier. You know, that point in time when you can actually do something about it.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:28 AM

You know, at some point maybe we should stop caring about kids at the bottom of the class. Instead of worrying about a few stragglers getting "left behind," perhaps we as a nation would be better served focusing on the kids at the top of the class and ensuring they fulfill their potential rather than trying to make the bad students average

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:04 AM

Who is suggesting we give up on those struggling?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:10 AM

Strawmen...that's who.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:03 AM

i tossed out a proposal i came up with a few years ago that i would like to do with my wife the educator. she tutors/mentors at risk kids and does in home visits to make sure they finish school. they might be at home due to excessive abscences or fighting but mainly its teen moms.

some parents are on the ball she runs into but mostly they are out too lunch.

this is the disconnect that needs to be closed. find a way, some how, to bring the parents of those kids struggling and the teachers and go look. Johnny is doing bad in these areas and here are some things he can do to catch him up and at least help him pass.
then connect with the parent or guardian to see what is going on in their life. can they help? are they working to much to pay bills and survive? do they care? did they themselves graduate or where are they at?
in some cases, the parent/guardian may even need some tutoring or mentoring. it could be a host of things. but just throwing money on top of the problem isn't going to fix it. you have to compartmentalize the issues and fix them systematically.

sadly, some coummunities don't say much until its too late and a school is about to be shut down and then start going to school board meetings and screaming at the board that they don't care about kids or the future. umm. no. YOU don't care about the kids or their future by letting things fall down year after year.

the other thing i have proposed is the # of tenured or great teachers per low performing schools. usually, because the school is doing bad or has discipline issues etc, a new teacher may bolt after year 1 or 2. some may stick around for a few years but more often than not, the low perf school has too many new teachers who are just learning things and the balance of seasoned teachers is not there.

i think if you can stablize the quality of teachers at a tough school, while getting the hard data on the parents of those that are significantly under performing, you can fix some holes that nobody is willing to address.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:14 AM

why are school boards and council people so afraid to focus on the at home break down of education?

Maybe its like all things in this gov today. Use gun laws for example. If we do not enforce the laws and bad things happen, they say the system failed and we need new gun laws. Instead of enforcing whats already on the books. Now parenting is obviously a big issue in a childs education. But the gov refuses to recognize that because its parents and not the system that is broken. But if the systems broken we can just come up with new programs, systems,ect. Like c-scope and common core. which all but remove the parents role in the childs education. creates more bureacracy, and calls for higher gov revenues to pay for the over-haul.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

Who is suggesting we give up on those struggling?


No one. But they get WAY too much of the attention.

Why are standardized test scores reported by % of students at grade level? That criteria focuses only on the kids at the bottom of the class and tells you absolutely nothing about how well that school is educating the average and above average students. You know, the students who are actually going to do something important with their lives (hard truth time)