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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:15 PM


Against Amerson, he abused him badly.




Against Slay







Against FL, Mizz, Vandy and Georgia






Overall highlight video for him.. Check near the 3:58 mark for a great jump catch while going down the field. There's other examples as well.




Contrary to beliefs, while his route running needs work. His Cut's are exceptional, he's very good with double moves and getting open. Then with the ball in his hands, he's amazing. Pretty much, every weakness someone says about him isn't as bad as it's made out to be. He's raw, but not as raw as it's made out to be.

He's a top 10 prospect who's 6-2, 217 pounds runs fast, has great agility and the ability to make people miss after the catch. He can play all three major WR spots on the field as well as do KR/PR and would add another dimension to any team that adds him in the draft.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:27 PM

Yeah that helped Hey ward Bay score a lot of TD.


i said A factor not thee factor

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

i said A factor not thee factor


A factor that is overrated by fans.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:57 PM


Against Amerson, he abused him badly.




Against Slay







Against FL, Mizz, Vandy and Georgia






Overall highlight video for him.. Check near the 3:58 mark for a great jump catch while going down the field. There's other examples as well.




Contrary to beliefs, while his route running needs work. His Cut's are exceptional, he's very good with double moves and getting open. Then with the ball in his hands, he's amazing. Pretty much, every weakness someone says about him isn't as bad as it's made out to be. He's raw, but not as raw as it's made out to be.

He's a top 10 prospect who's 6-2, 217 pounds runs fast, has great agility and the ability to make people miss after the catch. He can play all three major WR spots on the field as well as do KR/PR and would add another dimension to any team that adds him in the draft.


And he's a constant body catcher can't read coverages. Might have a problem picking up the Playbook. And hasn't shown the ability consistently to high point a ball.

I just thought we should mention his weaknesses to.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:27 PM

And he's a constant body catcher can't read coverages. Might have a problem picking up the Playbook. And hasn't shown the ability consistently to high point a ball.

I just thought we should mention his weaknesses to.



That's most of his catches and drops from this past season, very few body catches in there. Strike 1 on his weaknesses.

He can clearly read coverage if you pay attention to his routes and where he sits in zones. Strike 2

There's quite a few jump balls in those videos as well. Strike 3.

His weakness are raw route running, but he's not as raw as many believe. He's smart football wise, anyone that's been around him will say that about him. His route running is easily fixable because of his speed, agility and cut ability. Mental lapses when catching easy passes, his drop percentage is extremely low at 4% so that's not a big deal either.

Playbook isn't a concern, he just showed up in Knoxville and took the #1 WR spot by the end of the season and was used a bunch in trick plays. (End arounds, him passing the ball with the option of running...ext..) Plus his coaches praise him, his football smarts and work ethic.



You struck out with those, gonna try again? His biggest weakness for the draft is the lack of tape on him against top level competition. The CB's in the video's I posted are NFL caliber players and he owned them with his route running, not speed.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:28 PM

And without mentioning the situation or variables that should go along with your statement. This comment means nothing.


Eric Decker, Lance Moore, Julio Jones, Mike Williams, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, Randall Cobb, Miles Austin, Ty Hilton, Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, James Jones, Sidney Rice. Antonio Brown. Andre Roberts.

All i have put up better stats last year and none are number 1 receivers.

Here you go smart guy, this is a previous post by the way so Dont think im one of those posters that doesnt back up their statements. Look it up and see for yourself if you are still in denial.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:33 PM

Eric Decker, Lance Moore, Julio Jones, Mike Williams, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, Randall Cobb, Miles Austin, Ty Hilton, Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, James Jones, Sidney Rice. Antonio Brown. Andre Roberts.

All i have put up better stats last year and none are number 1 receivers.

Here you go smart guy, this is a previous post by the way so Dont think im one of those posters that doesnt back up their statements. Look it up and see for yourself if you are still in denial.



Don't you know with KKL you can only use guys that were in the same type of offense as the Panthers? He's not going to listen to stats that say he's wrong or even scouts, he's always right.


So throw out everyone on that list but Rice, because that's the only one that counts.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:18 PM

That's most of his catches and drops from this past season, very few body catches in there. Strike 1 on his weaknesses.

He can clearly read coverage if you pay attention to his routes and where he sits in zones. Strike 2

There's quite a few jump balls in those videos as well. Strike 3.

His weakness are raw route running, but he's not as raw as many believe. He's smart football wise, anyone that's been around him will say that about him. His route running is easily fixable because of his speed, agility and cut ability. Mental lapses when catching easy passes, his drop percentage is extremely low at 4% so that's not a big deal either.

Playbook isn't a concern, he just showed up in Knoxville and took the #1 WR spot by the end of the season and was used a bunch in trick plays. (End arounds, him passing the ball with the option of running...ext..) Plus his coaches praise him, his football smarts and work ethic.



You struck out with those, gonna try again? His biggest weakness for the draft is the lack of tape on him against top level competition. The CB's in the video's I posted are NFL caliber players and he owned them with his route running, not speed.


Most of his catches were body catches and since he only had 46 it's really a small sample. Most of his drops came on deep ball over shoulder catches or jump ball catches.

2. I'm on my phone so I can't post the video about his problem reading coverages and tipping off his routes and lining up behind the line of scrimmage to help him get off the line. But you read the same analysis but choose to ignore them.

3. What is quite a few? I can post a 4th round rated wr's with more jump ball catches. Stedman Bailey at 5'10 has more jump ball receptions.

4. Yes every scout says he is a raw route runner but it's no big deal in your mind. Yes i've heard this from you over and over again.
But to help you out a little his speed isn't elite and even if it was it won't help him run better routes. Improve technic and practice, practice,practice are the only things that help that.
Jerry Rice wasn't fast at all but was the best WR ever. Why is that?

5. He never took the number 1 wr spot in UT. WTF are you talking about? Do you remember Justin Hunter? Maybe you need to check your facts on that statement.

6. You did the research who were the WR 's like PATTERSON (meaning similar numbers similar experience and drafted high base on nothing but athletic ability) and what was their success rate? Post that info and see how people feel after that.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:34 PM

Eric Decker, Lance Moore, Julio Jones, Mike Williams, Victor Cruz, Justin Blackmon, Randall Cobb, Miles Austin, Ty Hilton, Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, James Jones, Sidney Rice. Antonio Brown. Andre Roberts.

All i have put up better stats last year and none are number 1 receivers.

Here you go smart guy, this is a previous post by the way so Dont think im one of those posters that doesnt back up their statements. Look it up and see for yourself if you are still in denial.


Since you didn't understand what I was saying.

Show the targets and attempts by their QB's.

Cam only pass the ball 486 times. Some of the wr you have listed have QB's that passed the ball way more then Cam.

Example
TY Hilton --- Luck threw the ball 600+ times.

Then some of your WR were number 1 targets.

Example
Sid Rice got more targets then all other WR on the Seahawks.

Show the targets when making your argument. You can't compare Lafell to Victor Cruz. When Lafell was thrown to 76 times and Cruz was thrown to 143 times.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:42 PM

Most of them aren't body catches. Look at the video, lmao

He's got elite speed.... 4.4 at 6-2 and 217.. is elite speed. His cutting ability is amazing and it helps him in route running. Look at how he abused Amerson, Slay and Flordia in the redzone with route running.


Lining up behind the LOS and going in motion is a product of the system he was in, but if you watched the video's I posted you'd see that a bunch of his routes were lined up normally and he killed some of the better CB prospects in the draft with route running.

Jump ball situations is also a product of the offense and the QB throwing the ball, but there's a nice example of his get up and get it skills in the overall highlight video I posted.

I also keep saying that his route running isn't that raw, he's got crisp cuts and goes cleanly in and out of his breaks. It shows that in the video's as well.


Yes, he ended up being the go to guy as the season progressed.

Over the last 4 games,

Hunter had 426 total yards

Patterson had 491 total yards, "412 receiving, 79 rushing" Patterson had more Receiving yards in three of those games" Patterson also had more offensive touches in the last four games as well.



I'll post examples of his route running. He turned Amerson around on a 9 route. He got Slay to bite inside on a 7 route in the endzone. Beat Flordia to the inside on a crisp endzone cut on a 2 route. Throughout those video's he shows great route running on 3's and 4's



When I posted that information, I also added in that there's really been no one like Patterson in the draft in a long time with his combination of size, speed, athleticism and lack of tape.


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