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Sheldon Richardson, is he even a good fit here?


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#46 koolkatluke

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:11 PM

Too many people here are acting like athletic defensive tackles are common. We went without one until last year, when we signed a stopgap. Getting a rare commodity for the long-term is an opportunity.

I love how when we talk about individual positions, there's a flood of "BPA!" When we talk about individual prospects, though, it's about whether a guy can get playing time right now. Let's talk a little bit about Dwan Edwards. He's a 32 year-old stopgap who we only signed after he got cut by his team. He produced well, but his six sacks were totally anomalous; he's had less than that in the rest of his career combined. His only other contract offer came from a Miami team that wanted depth. Not a starter. Depth.

Richardson is one of the better prospects in the draft. The bust rate is high for his position, and this whole conversation is dependent upon him interviewing well, but he's a rare and important talent. A defensive tackle that can get into the backfield is growing more and more crucial. He does it well. I wouldn't mind it.


Good post.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:13 PM

Good point. Not to mention his constant penetration makes RB be thinking instead of just running thru holes. Giving Kuechly the advantage of making TFL's.


Wow, KKL and I've been on the same page these couple days. Good point too

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:17 PM

jesse williams is a reach at 14 no way around it.


Yea. As much as I love him, and as good a run stuffer he is, Jesse is a big reach at 14.
Hes a great 20 or later pick.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:23 PM

Too many people here are acting like athletic defensive tackles are common. We went without one until last year, when we signed a stopgap. Getting a rare commodity for the long-term is an opportunity.

I love how when we talk about individual positions, there's a flood of "BPA!" When we talk about individual prospects, though, it's about whether a guy can get playing time right now. Let's talk a little bit about Dwan Edwards. He's a 32 year-old stopgap who we only signed after he got cut by his team. He produced well, but his six sacks were totally anomalous; he's had less than that in the rest of his career combined. His only other contract offer came from a Miami team that wanted depth. Not a starter. Depth.

Richardson is one of the better prospects in the draft. The bust rate is high for his position, and this whole conversation is dependent upon him interviewing well, but he's a rare and important talent. A defensive tackle that can get into the backfield is growing more and more crucial. He does it well. I wouldn't mind it.


Brandon Williams and Kawaan Short can get into the backfield too, point? Richardson isn't as rare of a prospect as you label him to be. He's explosive and athletic but he also gets bullied by average OL with 10-20 lbs on him.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:37 PM

Brandon Williams and Kawaan Short can get into the backfield too, point? Richardson isn't as rare of a prospect as you label him to be. He's explosive and athletic but he also gets bullied by average OL with 10-20 lbs on him.


He also beats them to. This whole idea that he gets pushed around all the time is getting stupidly over played.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

He also beats them to. This whole idea that he gets pushed around all the time is getting stupidly over played.


Have you not seen Short's tape? Or Brandon's, especially, for that matter. Williams moves like a LB and has a very high motor for a NT.

No, it's not. Richardson getting manhandled is virtually present on every highlight film. Call it stupid all you but it's his biggest weakness. He's a good pass rusher, but a weak run stuffer.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:29 PM

I agree

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:37 PM

Have you not seen Short's tape? Or Brandon's, especially, for that matter. Williams moves like a LB and has a very high motor for a NT.

No, it's not. Richardson getting manhandled is virtually present on every highlight film. Call it stupid all you but it's his biggest weakness. He's a good pass rusher, but a weak run stuffer.


I have and neither were playing against SEC oline. Most of which will be drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. I like Short and Williams as well. But you're not going to sit here and act like Short and Williams against the same Olines wouldn't get pushed around.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:15 PM

I have and neither were playing against SEC oline. Most of which will be drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. I like Short and Williams as well. But you're not going to sit here and act like Short and Williams against the same Olines wouldn't get pushed around.


Ummm, who cares? Half of the League's best DTs didn't come from the SEC (ex. Ngata, Suh and Wilfork). That SEC angle is incredibly overused in debates and rarely holds value.

And yes, I'm gonna sit here and tell you that. Both Short and B. Williams held their own, and impressed at the Senior Bowl. Brandon was double teamed and he still managed to beat them on a few occasions to disrupt the backfield and pressure the QB. Short, on that note, was in the backfield, for what felt like, every other snap.

Seriously, that SEC argumentative point needs to die.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

Ummm, who cares? Half of the League's best DTs didn't come from the SEC (ex. Ngata, Suh and Wilfork). That SEC angle is incredibly overused in debates and rarely holds value.

And yes, I'm gonna sit here and tell you that. Both Short and B. Williams held their own, and impressed at the Senior Bowl. Brandon was double teamed and he still managed to beat them on a few occasions to disrupt the backfield and pressure the QB. Short, on that note, was in the backfield, for what felt like, every other snap.

Seriously, that SEC argumentative point needs to die.


Then you're fuging stupid. If you think it doesn't make difference in the competition you faced. You compare 1 week at the senior bowl to every week facing a guy likely to play in the NFL.
I forgot Conferences USA and the Big East are putting out NFL olinemen every year.
What a stupid comment. Comparing a week at the senior bowl (facing guys one on one) to facing Warmack, Jones and Fluker for a whole game.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:45 PM

Then you're fuging stupid. If you think it doesn't make difference in the competition you faced. You compare 1 week at the senior bowl to every week facing a guy likely to play in the NFL.
I forgot Conferences USA and the Big East are putting out NFL olinemen every year.
What a stupid comment. Comparing a week at the senior bowl (facing guys one on one) to facing Warmack, Jones and Fluker for a whole game.


Oh yes, may the heavens forgive me for such a comment. The SEC is the Holy Grail of college football even though they've blessed us with hundreds upon hundreds of busts and disappointments this past decade.

Yes, a fudging stupid comment indeed.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

Oh yes, may the heavens forgive me for such a comment. The SEC is the Holy Grail of college football even though they've blessed us with hundreds upon hundreds of busts and disappointments this past decade.

Yes, a fudging stupid comment indeed.

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Yes it is. Comparing competition at Missouri State division 2. To the competition in the SEC.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:14 PM

Yes it is. Comparing competition at Missouri State division 2. To the competition in the SEC.


Yes, because your logic dictates that players like our very own Kuechly, Beason, C. Johnson, Stewart, Smith, etc and other elite players across the league such as A. Rodgers, Megatron, M. Ryan, V. Miller, Fitzgerald, JJ Watt, etc don't hold a candle to SEC products. That's a flawed argument.

These prospects are individual talents, not squads. Conferences and divisions don't mean diddy squat at the end of the day.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:37 PM

Richardson? Hell NO.

Why? Reasons already stated and I doubt he'll be BPA. A lot of guys I'd want instead of him. I'm really not even thinking Richardson. Maybe I am just hoping Warmack or Star will fall or that Austin will be there. I'd be happy with anyone this board mentions except Richardson and somewhat Allen.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

It looks like Richardson benched 30 reps which is the same number as Williams.


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