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#76 unicar15

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

Don't really want tavon or Hopkins in the first unless we trade down. Patterson and Allen are only wr I'm sold on as first round picks. Go CB or OL in first and pick up WR later. There are a lot of good ones but IMO no great ones in this draft.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:55 PM

1. So I shouldn't compare pro White to rookie Hopkins, but you should? Coming out they're very similar - but with Roddy being a better all around athlete.
2. Like most of the country I'm barely aware Clemson exists as a college sports venue. I literally don't care about them enough to hate them.
3. Interesting that Hopkins 40 at school jumped all the way from a 4.57 to a 4.41. He sure doesn't play like he's a 4.4 guy.
4. He's probably absolutely not 14th pick worthy.


Coming out....Hopkins is simply better than White was.

I don think you watched Nuk....every immediately said when his combine time came out that it didn't reflect what they saw.....as no team could keep him out of the endzone.

If you don't think any WR is worth the 14 then fine....but it is really hard to argue WR X is worth it and Nuk isn't. Bc Nuk poo'd on whoever X is last year. Again, compare him to his teammate Watkins....Watkins has the higher ceiling. Nuk likely is the better WR. All depends how important that extra ceiling is to you....

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:21 PM

Don't really want tavon or Hopkins in the first unless we trade down. Patterson and Allen are only wr I'm sold on as first round picks. Go CB or OL in first and pick up WR later. There are a lot of good ones but IMO no great ones in this draft.


and a large percentage of great ones weren't perceived as locks to be NFL greats....

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:28 PM

White coming out was a very equatable prospect to Hopkins. Hopkins deserves to be talked about in the same range White went in. He would likely also take a few years of development to adjust to the physicality and overall speed (read: not running speed) of the pro game.


Don't pretend Hopkins is something he's not.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:30 PM

White coming out was a very equatable prospect to Hopkins. Hopkins deserves to be talked about in the same range White went in. He would likely also take a few years of development to adjust to the physicality and overall speed (read: not running speed) of the pro game.


Don't pretend Hopkins is something he's not.


White quit eating cheeseburgers and being lazy....finally got good.

I think Hopkins can be good quicker than White.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:37 PM

White quit eating cheeseburgers and being lazy....finally got good.

I think Hopkins can be good quicker than White.


Please provide a source of some sort that suggests that White, instead of needing the acclimation process to the NFL that a player of his build, style, and skill set would need when steeping up to the NFL, was instead just lazy and fat and apathetic.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:40 PM

Please provide a source of some sort that suggests that White, instead of needing the acclimation process to the NFL that a player of his build, style, and skill set would need when steeping up to the NFL, was instead just lazy and fat and apathetic.


Okay, my source is Roddy White. Give me 3 and half seconds....

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:45 PM

There are better articles but that was a 3 second search...

http://m.espn.go.com...686&src=desktop

White talks about "finally growing up", quit eating crap food and taking things seriously, a coaching staff that finally showed him the importance of practicing hard bc he relied on just his natural ability to get by for so long, etc.

White has talked about it several times....how he went from a guy Atl regretted drafting to a stud. It wasn't just adjusting to the speed on the NFL....

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:48 PM

3. Interesting that Hopkins 40 at school jumped all the way from a 4.57 to a 4.41. He sure doesn't play like he's a 4.4 guy.
4. He's probably absolutely not 14th pick worthy.


he does play like a 4.4 as his 17 yard per catch avg backs it up. and he is worthy of the 14th pick. to many times he got vertically up the field and behind coverage.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

He looks like a stud WR. I wouldn't mind seeing him line up opposite of 89.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:03 PM

Just something to add to the conversation, been seeing a few "I like him in the first, just not at 14" posts in here, this isn't relevent anymore, if he's the player we want just pick him, doesn't matter if he's 1st or 32nd pick the right pick at 14 is the player we want.

Something that has been lost recently in draft talk is the impact of the rookie salary Cap, the reason before that we didn't want to pick up player x/y/z was because the salary that would be involved for at position x, drafted in the top ten, lets say you have a QB that may be fine but you have a question mark about him so you don't want to risk the pick at 7 because you will have to pay him $50 mill, he drops to the second round because of that and you sign him for $15m now today it's fixed cap meaning less loss if the player is a bust.

Because of this you will continue to see more and more QBs get drafted in the first, even for this being a down year for QBs you may see up to 5 go in the first. And also teams unless they just want more picks will be less interested in trading back and hoping the player they want drops to them and more about just picking the guy they want outright.

At 14 if a guy we want is there like Hopkins we need just draft him because of this.


Amen fug all that I like him in the mid 20s but not at 14 that its dumb. You don't pass up on a player you want because your at spot 14 and not 24 if he's there and you want him take him period. You only trade down if you miss out on your guy so you take trade back and grab a few picks. What happens if you trade back and the guy gets picked up? Then your fuged. If he's there and you want him take him period.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:27 PM

Amen fug all that I like him in the mid 20s but not at 14 that its dumb. You don't pass up on a player you want because your at spot 14 and not 24 if he's there and you want him take him period. You only trade down if you miss out on your guy so you take trade back and grab a few picks. What happens if you trade back and the guy gets picked up? Then your fuged. If he's there and you want him take him period.


I think the feeling is that there would be better players at 14 but people would like him at 24 because those better players would be gone already.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

There are better articles but that was a 3 second search...

http://m.espn.go.com...686&src=desktop

White talks about "finally growing up", quit eating crap food and taking things seriously, a coaching staff that finally showed him the importance of practicing hard bc he relied on just his natural ability to get by for so long, etc.

White has talked about it several times....how he went from a guy Atl regretted drafting to a stud. It wasn't just adjusting to the speed on the NFL....


I'm sorry but the way in talks in this article doesn't give me the same impression it gives you. I see where your coming from, but anybody who watched White during his tenure in Atlanta could see that his problems were far beyond some poor eating habits. As I previously mentioned, and hat he even touches on in the article, is that the guys with his style who don't dominate with athleticism typically require the curve that comes with making the leap. They can't use their natural ability a a crutch until they learn the ropes. It takes time, and it's reasonable to expect a similar curve with Hopkins.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:47 PM

I'm sorry but the way in talks in this article doesn't give me the same impression it gives you. I see where your coming from, but anybody who watched White during his tenure in Atlanta could see that his problems were far beyond some poor eating habits. As I previously mentioned, and hat he even touches on in the article, is that the guys with his style who don't dominate with athleticism typically require the curve that comes with making the leap. They can't use their natural ability a a crutch until they learn the ropes. It takes time, and it's reasonable to expect a similar curve with Hopkins.


Yes, and he talked about those as well....not the best articles it but he does talk about being lazy when he talks about not practicing hard under Mora and had always just gotten by on his natural ability.

So to deny White was just a lazy sack of poo who pretty much was just getting a paycheck when he first arrived is ignoring Roddy White....and even his mamma's own words.

White has talked about the type guy he was under Mora and why he was viewed as such a bust....it was easily talked about the season he blew up and become a stud.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 07:54 PM

Eh...the ceiling seems to be higher with other players such as Patterson and Austin, IMO, but trading down and then grabbing the best WR seems to be ideal since there will be reaching and which will bring bargains.


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