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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

What a hypocritical post. Mayock is one of the experts your refering to and he's said Allen is a 4.5 guy on tape. Chuck posted his opinion and did not pass it off as factual. He did a good thing by posting a video to support his opinion. You comparing him to Dwayne Jarett is ludicrous and you act like that's a fact as if your some expert.

If you listen to the experts like Brandt who has Allen as his number 1 receiver in his hot 100 piece btw then you would not suggest such off base statements.

If you don't want to hear fans opinions then what are you doing here?


I don't care if a person has an opinion and I think everyone has a right to voice one. I do sometimes tire of folks here acting like they are an expert without any credentials to back it up. I tell you up front, I am no expert just a fan. You know the pseudo experts, I am talking about, like guys spending pages pointing out irrelevent facts and trying to do pseudo analyses trying to act as if they know what they are talking about. You know who I mean....................

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:37 AM

Mayock said Keenan been clocked at 4.5. Where are you gettig your info from? Lol

i know what he said, but I don't believe that looking at tape on a field is accurate enough to be able to determine hundreds of a second which is what he is doing. One step or two or a few yards here or there can change a time 2 tenths of a second which is the blink of an eye. I can determine anything I want about numbers if I already have a preconceived notion and then go about trying to confirm what I want to do. Besides, the real point is that everyone assumes he will get back to 100% which isn't guaranteed. Right now he is a 4.7 guy coming back from injury. Lets see him run 4.5 now and it is relevant. Until then, it is speculation that he will be back to 100%.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:40 AM

FWIW He is listed at 4.56 on his recruiting profile. And he DOES look like a mid 4.5 guy on the field....

http://rivals.yahoo....nan-Allen-81728


Sites put up projected times all the time because he ran one in high school or he was timed in practice one time. The point of a combine is to standardize things and make things more objective. Pro days are
notorious for always showing better times. Coincidence?? I don't think so............

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

Normally the times actually come from recruiting camps but your point is valid. My point is when I watch a guy like Hopkins who is a "confirmed" 4.5 guy and watch Allen, I don't see large differences in term of burst off the line, straight line speed, speed out of breaks etc....

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:43 PM

i know what he said, but I don't believe that looking at tape on a field is accurate enough to be able to determine hundreds of a second which is what he is doing. One step or two or a few yards here or there can change a time 2 tenths of a second which is the blink of an eye. I can determine anything I want about numbers if I already have a preconceived notion and then go about trying to confirm what I want to do. Besides, the real point is that everyone assumes he will get back to 100% which isn't guaranteed. Right now he is a 4.7 guy coming back from injury. Lets see him run 4.5 now and it is relevant. Until then, it is speculation that he will be back to 100%.


Whos you to say he doesn't look like a 4.5 guy in those highlights. And you're disagreeing with Mayock's words?

You sound like a hypocrite. Acting like you know more than others around here with "no credentials to back it up". The ones pointing the fingers always are the hypocrites.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:46 PM

Sites put up projected times all the time because he ran one in high school or he was timed in practice one time. The point of a combine is to standardize things and make things more objective. Pro days are
notorious for always showing better times. Coincidence?? I don't think so............


Why are you acting like you're an expert? From the person accusing people of trying to be experts. Pretty funny

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

As time goes on, I think we should just sit back and pick whichever falls to us in the second. Unless there is a huge run on WR in the first, we should pick the best DT/Safety/CB available, and then grab Hopkins/Allen/Patterson in the second, one of them is going to slide.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:50 PM

Normally the times actually come from recruiting camps but your point is valid. My point is when I watch a guy like Hopkins who is a "confirmed" 4.5 guy and watch Allen, I don't see large differences in term of burst off the line, straight line speed, speed out of breaks etc....


I don't know about you but I would have a hard time determining the difference between the two when we are talking tens of a second. Watching film is always relative to the other players, field conditions, whether he has just run 3 long routs and is tired , etc. That is partly my point. Without a bionic eye how could you tell the difference between a guy running a 4.5 and 4.7 really. The only way I have seen this really work is having guys run the exact same route on the same field and superimposing them next to each other and you can see the difference. Otherwise the differences are too subtle to be able to see anyway for most everyone. Particularly casual fans.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:54 PM

Why are you acting like you're an expert? From the person accusing people of trying to be experts. Pretty funny

Read the earlier post where I said I was a fan and not an expert. If you think I act and talk like an expert then thanks for the compliment but I am surely not. I am just a fan like you and others. I am one of the few here who readily admit it.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:58 PM

Whos you to say he doesn't look like a 4.5 guy in those highlights. And you're disagreeing with Mayock's words?

You sound like a hypocrite. Acting like you know more than others around here with "no credentials to back it up". The ones pointing the fingers always are the hypocrites.


Why the circular arguments? I never said he looked like a 4.5 guy or didn't. I said I don't believe that trying to determine the difference between a 4.5 and 4.7 guy by watching game film is accurate to say one or the other definitive. I said he ran 4.7 and Mayock is making excuses to justify his position. What happened to everyone being able to have an opinion.....

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:59 PM

Read the earlier post where I said I was a fan and not an expert. If you think I act and talk like an expert then thanks for the compliment but I am surely not. I am just a fan like you and others. I am one of the few here who readily admit it.


Everyone here admits they talk as fans that's why we're all in a fuggn fantasy forum man. If you think anyone here including myself talked like an expert, thank you too for the compliments. You're such a hypocrite.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:00 PM

Whos you to say he doesn't look like a 4.5 guy in those highlights. And you're disagreeing with Mayock's words?

You sound like a hypocrite. Acting like you know more than others around here with "no credentials to back it up". The ones pointing the fingers always are the hypocrites.

So if you point the finger at me like you are doing, does that make you the hypocrite?

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:01 PM

Why the circular arguments? I never said he looked like a 4.5 guy or didn't. I said I don't believe that trying to determine the difference between a 4.5 and 4.7 guy by watching game film is accurate to say one or the other definitive. I said he ran 4.7 and Mayock is making excuses to justify his position. What happened to everyone being able to have an opinion.....


Lol what happened to everyone being able to have an opinion? Ask yourself that bro. Gah what a hypocrite. Hypocrite . Hypocrite.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:01 PM

So if you point the finger at me like you are doing, does that make you the hypocrite?


I'm not. I never accused anyone of being Mayock.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Everyone here admits they talk as fans that's why we're all in a fuggn fantasy forum man. If you think anyone here including myself talked like an expert, thank you too for the compliments. You're such a hypocrite.

Saying he looks like a 4.5 guy to me assumes you know what one looks like and can tell the difference between a 4.5 guy and a 4.7 guy. That assumes you have some kind of expertise to tell the difference which wouldn't be obvious to the casual fan. I called BS and you have been the one on the attack calling me a hypocrite.

Casual fans don't make statements like that and I am smart enough to know that and don't do it. And no, I don't think you are an expert, I think you are a pseudo expert. You seem to be the only one who misses the distinction.

But I won't keep going back and forth because I have seen you do this for pages like other posters we know. Think what you want and get in the last word.


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