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#41 carpantherfan84

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

<----- black guy, loved the song. Was it cheesy? Absolutely. I mean my god was it ever cheesy.

Cheesy is not bad though. Philly B, and believe me I say this with the utmost respect, we don't all have your incredible grasp of the English language. I mean I like to call myself halfway intelligent but I am still translating this, lol. ;)

brad paisely tries to tackle issues of multivocal indexicality in post-desegregation symbolism by writing a country song about it


But seriously though, look how far we have come. Slavery and subsequently segregation does have a lasting impact on this nation. There are MANY faces of it. Shiek Zula, and Stirs are prime examples of the many faces of this issue. Neither side will be completely satisfied, the atrocities were just too horrible and lasted far too long for that. But admitting there is tension is a step toward resolving that tension. And I think that was the purpose of the song. I don't mind southern whites admitting how they feel. It doesn't make you racist to say you feel discriminated against. That doesn't mean you are being discriminated against, it just doesn't make you racists to feel that way.


And for the record, yes the flag is racist. There is no bones about. It is pure symbolism. The nation it represents doesn't exist anymore. The people who swore to it were traitors to this nation, and their motives for doing so were extremely detestable. To rep the flag is to ally yourself with the people who swore to it, or the nation it represented. Either one means that you ally yourself with the principles they championed and the ideals the flag represented. Those ideals revolve around the continuation of slavery and the willingness to die for it. That fact will not change.

Think about it, when NK is finally wiped off the map I highly doubt the new government would allow the people to rep the flag just because they miss ole Jong Il.

and even though I quoted Philly B and mentioned Sheik and Stirs, this was to no one in particular and at the same time everyone equally.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:24 PM

this reminds me of the guy who is so preoccupied about NOT looking at other women because he is newly married that when he goes about his day he...umm...sees...lots...of womenz.

you catch what you throw. always will.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:41 PM

I see Cantrell didn't answer my question... if BP needs forgiven, does LL?



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

I see Cantrell didn't answer my question... if BP needs forgiven, does LL?


yeah for being an uncle tom

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

Cheesy is not bad though. Philly B, and believe me I say this with the utmost respect, we don't all have your incredible grasp of the English language. I mean I like to call myself halfway intelligent but I am still translating this, lol. ;)


it's intentionally insanely complex... i constructed it that way to make a point. the issue that we're discussing here is at its core incredibly complex and points to questions that run much deeper than "hey that there flag means heritage now off with you carpetbaggers" or "oh i say jeeves isn't that fellow a neanderthal, imagine bearing such dixieland regalia"

debate rages heavily because standard arguments fail to address the entirety of the issue - which is why we're arguing about it on an internet forum when a country singer inadequately addressed it.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:59 PM

yeah for being an uncle tom



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:59 PM

alot more occam's razors are around that usually take away the sexiness of things. just sayin

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:09 PM

it's intentionally insanely complex... i constructed it that way to make a point. the issue that we're discussing here is at its core incredibly complex and points to questions that run much deeper than "hey that there flag means heritage now off with you carpetbaggers" or "oh i say jeeves isn't that fellow a neanderthal, imagine bearing such dixieland regalia"

debate rages heavily because standard arguments fail to address the entirety of the issue - which is why we're arguing about it on an internet forum when a country singer inadequately addressed it.


I cant argue with you. You are right this is very complex. I just remember a time when the majority of whites that I spoke to would not even admit that there were tensions. Racism was a myth, or an ancient disease carried by blacks to infect the "pure hearts" of the "good white common folk". I know many still feel this way, but I have never seen so many people willing to actually discuss it as I have in recent years. In and out of the web. This change is perhaps not so coincidentally centered around the election of President Obama. People are much more willing to speak out and it is becoming hard for otherwise reasonable people to ignore the obvious. That is progress to me. I interpreted the song as coming from a man who realizes his heritage is tarnished and it bothers him. He hasn't made the leap to shed that heritage but it is better than ignoring or refusing to believe it.

So I guess what I am saying is that while the song was inadequate at best, it accomplished its true purpose in giving voice to one more demographic in this crazy mixed up nation we call home.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:16 PM

rapgenius is a cesspool for the most part but their page for this song is p good

http://rapgenius.com...l-racist-lyrics


I can understand why an artist like Paisley would be attracted to an artist like LL Cool J. I can’t for the life of me understand why he’d choose LL Cool J to begin “a conversation” to reconcile. Rap is overrun with artists who’ve spent some portion of their career attempting to have “a conversation.” There’s Chuck D. There’s Big Daddy Kane. There’s KRS-ONE. There’s Talib. There’s Mos Def. There’s Kendrick Lamar. There’s Black Thought. There’s Dead Prez. And so on.
In an artform distinguished by a critical mass concerned with racism, LL’s work is distinguished by its lack of concern. Which is fine. “Pink Cookies” is dope. “Booming System” is dope. “I Shot Ya” is dope. I even rock that “Who Do You Love” joint. But I wouldn’t call up Talib Kweli to record a song about gang violence in L.A., and I wouldn’t call up KRS-ONE to drop a verse on a love ballad. The only real reason to call up LL is that he is black and thus must have something insightful to say about the Confederate Flag.
The assumption that there is no real difference among black people is exactly what racism is.


If you replaced white man here with “aryan,” it would also work.


LL seems to not understand the false equivalence here — a sartorial choice is not the same thing as a symbol of centuries of pain, captivity, and dehumanization


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LL really said "if you dont judge my durag I wont judge your red flag" on that country joint yo... Like this what MLK died for?
6:28 PM - 08 Apr 13


Did LL just offer to “forget” about centuries of slavery if Mr. White Man will just not judge him by his gold chains? WHAT?


Lee commanded the Confederate army in the Civil War. His aggressive, brilliant generalship won the South a series of unlikely victories in 1862-63.
LL understands the need to pay his respects to the man who led over a million men into battle to keep his ancestors in slavery.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:23 PM

rapgenius is a cesspool for the most part but their page for this song is p good

http://rapgenius.com...l-racist-lyrics


Absolutely true about LL not being the prime target for a discussion about race when there are so many other rappers who are FAR more qualified. But maybe it was just one moderate to another. Nothing more. They don't speak for the rest of us, nor should they. Let their music stand alone. I am not championing it by any means. I just recognize it for what it was.


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