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Blood on the hands of pro-abortionists... "deal with it"

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The catholic church has been telling people condoms are immoral and wrong for a while now.

Vegetarians think eating animals is immoral and wrong.

Perhaps your opinions on morality are just opinions.

No. Right and wrong are not complicated. They transcend languages, age groups, nationalities etc... They are not relegated to what is preached in religion or what is spoken in law.

For example. If you thought that fetuses/infants/embryos whatever were alive you would not believe they should be killed. Right? I am sure you don't feel that a woman should be able to abort a pregnancy at 8 months. So we may differ on what is life. But the killing of babies is wrong in any language, religion, race, creed, nation, species, etc.

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I thought for a second that you were one of the only ones who grasped the message I was trying to convey in the topic I made earlier concerning the fact that it is possible to believe that something is wrong even though it does not jive with the labels one would place on the other beliefs one would hold.

In other words don't insinuate that I am some right-wing nutjob, but nor am I an uber liberal. Some things are just immoral and wrong. Period.

maybe i should have done a better job clarifying, but this wasn't a response to your post (which is why i didn't quote it) but rather a general observation made within the greater context of the topic at hand

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maybe i should have done a better job clarifying, but this wasn't a response to your post (which is why i didn't quote it) but rather a general observation made within the greater context of the topic at hand

My apologies. I am really passionate about this and I get a little defensive.

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My apologies. I am really passionate about this and I get a little defensive.

in principle i agree with you. i remain very uncommitted either way on the issue of abortion because it's such a precarious question philosophically. i tend to err on the side of caution on this one; i don't believe that a tiny cluster of cells = a human being, but at the same time the question of where you draw the line, where you define that singular moment when a mass of tissue becomes a human, is an incredibly sticky one and fraught with philosophical and ethical peril.

i am content to admit that for the moment i do not know the answer.

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It is clear that in American society, your side won out. I get it. So how can we stop things like what the doctor did from happening. The laws are already on the books in the way that fits your point of view. Surely you believe that the "ones" that he is on trial for qualify as life. How can we stop this. I ask without malice or sarcasm or ill will. We have to do something, right?

Besides having laws against it, making people aware of said laws, & prosecuting those who break said laws, there is no way to stop it.

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in principle i agree with you. i remain very uncommitted either way on the issue of abortion because it's such a precarious question philosophically. i tend to err on the side of caution on this one; i don't believe that a tiny cluster of cells = a human being, but at the same time the question of where you draw the line, where you define that singular moment when a mass of tissue becomes a human, is an incredibly sticky one and fraught with philosophical and ethical peril.

i am content to admit that for the moment i do not know the answer.

I could live with that. That is the most honest and logical way to look at it. I stated before that to look at a loved one who had become a victim of some heinous act... there is no way of knowing what I would agree to in order to stop their pain. But I also work very closely with people who have dedicated their life to self sacrifice and live by the principle of "So Others May Live".

This is a hard one. But if there is any issue that would cause action, this should be it. I mean whatever the right way is, I have to believe that the law got this one wrong.

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Besides having laws against it, making people aware of said laws, & prosecuting those who break said laws, there is no way to stop it.

I'm sorry, but for me it is just not enough.

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Let me tell you this. My mom had three miscarriages. Each one sent her into near emotional breakdown. My wife had a miscarriage and it devastated her. Truly devastated. For her it was a life. Just as alive as the 5 year old we have or the baby she carries inside her now. If we could have buried the child we would have. For us it was alive. We have done something special that only she and I know, that we will never tell anyone, something that helps us remember and keep close the child we never got to see. She was 8 weeks.

My wife does not share my belief. She does not believe that she would do it herself but she says that she could understand a woman that would do it because of rape or incest. How can both be true? How can she know in her heart that her child was lost yet empathize with a woman that would abort a baby???

And the reason is because this is not about whether or not life happens at a certain point. It should be but it isn't. This argument is about women not wanting to be pregnant. And what it would take for them to choose that over their child. Not every woman has that point but for some it is very easy. And the law has made it even easier. But no, I don't respect my wife any less because of her beliefs. In my house we talk to each other.

i'm trying to illustrate a dilemma, not hurt your feelings.

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banning abortion is demonstrably the most wrong way to approach this matter.

what things were like before roe v. wade is well documented and it wasn't pretty. if you think that we have a problem with the law failing us now, you haven't seen anything.

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i'm trying to illustrate a dilemma, not hurt your feelings.

Lol. It is interesting that you would say that. I had a conversation with a coworker today where he basically said that I seem to be offended when people disagree. I assure you that is not the case. I am however idealistic and passionate. I believe in right and wrong and I would gladly give my life to save another. (well I have a family nowso obviously I live for them, but I do still have a pretty dangerous occupation that might require me to fulfill that statement) So for me this is not about proving a point. It is not about winning an argument. It is not about liberals and conservatives, dems, or reps or anything else. It is not about women's rights or w/e.

It is just about killing babies, which bothers me.

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