I am aware of the risks, or rather the extremes that women will go through IOT have the abortion.
But is a self inflicted wound, no matter how severe, not still self-inflicted. We do not as a society treat suicides, attempted suicides, or assisted suicides as if we are talking about a victim. We get mental help to those we can. We sit with them. We comfort them. We counsel them. We attempt to get them to address, fix, or live with the pain they feel, or show them that it is not worth taking their life. Because their life, no matter how bad is still valuable.
i don't like to play games of philosophical grab ass when it comes to abortion. history has proven that, at least in the context of the US, banning the procedure is useless if your end goal is to make the kermit gosnells of the world vanish.
i want abortion to be treated as a legitimate medical procedure that is subject to tight regulatory oversight. that's the best way to address this problem because it directly hits the main failure that allowed this to happen. had regulators done their jobs, kermit gosnell would have been shut down possibly decades ago. and no, half baked open-ended crap legislation forcing abortion providers to get admitting privileges in an environment where hospitals don't want to be dragged into a "political debate" and trans vaginal wands aren't going to accomplish anything.
In that case what should be the law? Do you really think that 20 weeks is still within acceptable limits. What do you feel should influence the law. I believe it is a question of when life happens. Which is immeasurable so no one has the right to kill it. You stated here that the feelings of the woman should not influence the law. What should?
remember how i talked about not liking philosophical grab ass? well, since you're pushing things in that direction, i'm about to get grab-assey. this is going to be a lot of text. you've been warned.
i was talking about how small my feelings and life experiences are in the general sense compared to the millions of people who are affected by any given law at the federal level. doubly so since i'm a man and will never actually have the procedure performed on me. where on earth did you get the notion that i was implying that the feelings of a woman shouldn't matter? what kind of subtext are you reading in to this?
if anything a woman's opinion on the issue is more qualified than mine. the reason that i mentioned that their experiences don't have any bearing on the issue is because their lives and political power are a drop in the bucket in the wider context of the united states which is in no way arguing that they don't matter in the sense that i/nobody should care. i still have feelings and i still have opinions on the matter. for example, i don't agree with intact dilation and extraction (what pro lifers call "partial birth abortion") but, pragmatically speaking, banning it is little more than a feel-good measure because it represents something like 0.17% of all abortions with a statistically significant number of those likely being medically necessary and not elective. again, see my appeal to pragmatism. of course, someone could easily come back at me with the accusation that i'm "condoning murder" and that .00000000001% of all abortions being "murder" should be too many for any civilized person or the like but you may note that i didn't actually call it that myself. it is, however, too close for me, personally.
my problem with the "WHEN DOES LIFE BEGIN HUH ABORTIONISTS???" circle jerk and various offshoot arguments along with fetal personhood bills pushed by social conservatives lies with the enormous legal problems and deep contradictions inherent within the rhetoric. first of all, advocates of such measures still
have to point to a time when "life begins" because a law without such parameters is utterly useless and impossible to enforce. second, saying that a fetus is a "baby" or "child" implies that it has rights. duh, right? i mean, this is a right to life debate, isn't it? this is the crux of the miscarriage point i brought up earlier: do we create another category for fetuses where we effectively say that, yeah, they're people but they're subject to spontaneous death for no reason so law enforcement shouldn't investigate every miscarriage as a possible murder/manslaughter? in this situation, you're still making a judgment call on what a "life" is worth and acting accordingly. should a woman who doesn't know she's pregnant and engages in some kind of stressful activity and subsequently miscarries be subject to negligent homicide? could pregnant women claim personal exemptions when filing taxes for unborn children? could they demand social security numbers for them? do we add 9 months to everybody's life? people have a lot more rights outside of the right to not be killed.
half of this sounds stupid as poo but they're now plausible at least philosophically if we're bent on fetal personhood.
ultimately, how late in a pregnancy that i feel abortion should be acceptable doesn't matter. truth is, i'd love it if there was never another abortion performed. my main problem is that all of the measures that have been introduced to supposedly make the procedure cease to exist have been complete pieces of poo and would be useless for achieving their stated objective.