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I would be interested in more detail on the information that shows stab wounds to be less lethal and than gun shot wounds.

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I hate it when people use this word but...

~*Common Sense*~

I mean really dude

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If the argument for gun control comes down to "it is better to be stabbed than shot" you are losing the argument.

The real objective ought to be to reduce violence not to nerf the weapons people use. Why do people committ violence, with our without a gun, and what can we do to stop it is the real question.

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lets say guns are totally vanquished and yet people get killed anyways. lets say the #'s go down because they have to use needle nose pliers. k?

if killings still continue, what does that say about our society? then what is the argument then? what is the govt program at that time?

what if you go well lets spend more on education but you find out the very people you are spending the most amount of money on, there is NO return on that spending as far as human capital is concerned?

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Yeah I don't know why we even have laws to begin with.

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On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[7]  41, murdered eight children with a knife  in an elementary school inNanping ,[8] Fujian  province

An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong ,Shaanxi  on May 12, 2010

On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at akindergarten  in Zibo , Shandong  province. 

In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi ,[25] Henan  by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%9312)

William Unek was an African  police  constable  and mass murderer  who killed a total of 57 people in two separate spree killings  three years apart. His first murder spree occurred near Mahagi, Belgian Congo  in 1954, where he killed 21 people with an axe, before escaping and finally ending up inBritish  occupied Tanganyika Territory .[1] Apparently because of social misunderstandings with his boss,[2]  Unek went on a second rampage which began in the early hours of February 11, 1957. Armed with a stolen police rifle, 50 rounds of ammunition and an axe, he started killing people in the area of Malampaka, a village about 40 miles southeast of Mwanza . Within twelve hours Unek shot dead ten men, eight women and eight children, murdered five more men with the axe, stabbed another one, burned two women and a child and strangled a 15-year-old girl, thus killing a total of 36 people.[3] [4] [5]  He then changed out of his police  uniform  into clothes stolen from one of his victims and fled. Among the dead was reportedly his own wife, whom he killed in their hut, before setting it on fire,[6]  as well as the wife of a police sergeant.[7]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Unek

By the end of the day Wirjo had hacked a total of 32 people, most of them farmers on the way to their fields and students going to school. 18 of his victims died at the scene, while two others later succumbed to their wounds in hospital.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjarsari_massacre



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On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[7] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school inNanping ,[8] Fujian province

An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong ,Shaanxi on May 12, 2010

On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at akindergarten in Zibo , Shandong province.

In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi ,[25] Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe

[url="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%9312"]http://en.m.wikipedi..._China_(2010–12[/url])

William Unek was an African police constable and mass murderer who killed a total of 57 people in two separate spree killings three years apart. His first murder spree occurred near Mahagi, Belgian Congo in 1954, where he killed 21 people with an axe, before escaping and finally ending up inBritish occupied Tanganyika Territory .[1] Apparently because of social misunderstandings with his boss,[2] Unek went on a second rampage which began in the early hours of February 11, 1957. Armed with a stolen police rifle, 50 rounds of ammunition and an axe, he started killing people in the area of Malampaka, a village about 40 miles southeast of Mwanza . Within twelve hours Unek shot dead ten men, eight women and eight children, murdered five more men with the axe, stabbed another one, burned two women and a child and strangled a 15-year-old girl, thus killing a total of 36 people.[3] [4] [5] He then changed out of his police uniform into clothes stolen from one of his victims and fled. Among the dead was reportedly his own wife, whom he killed in their hut, before setting it on fire,[6] as well as the wife of a police sergeant.[7]

[url="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Unek"]http://en.m.wikipedi...ki/William_Unek[/url]

By the end of the day Wirjo had hacked a total of 32 people, most of them farmers on the way to their fields and students going to school. 18 of his victims died at the scene, while two others later succumbed to their wounds in hospital.

[url="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjarsari_massacre"]http://en.m.wikipedi...arsari_massacre[/url]
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Everyone realizes that knives can kill people, so I'm not really sure what your point is.

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Everyone realizes that knives can kill people, so I'm not really sure what your point is.
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Me neither
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Yeah, after that guy knifed 14 people all the gun nuts had their cute "ban knives!" crap, not stopping to think that everyone was still alive, and of course, the exact same thing happened in China the day of Newtown, again, no fatalities reported to my knowledge from that vs. all those dead kids.
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Also going back to the OP, when I lived in Washington State, they had some of the most lax gun laws I've ever seen. (ie, many gun shows throughout the summer, no special classes needed for conceal carry, etc) Somehow, it's counted in the strong gun laws states. Maybe things have changed in the two years since I moved away; I don't know. But gun laws there were very much more lax than Texas or NC.

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How about you liberals who want to take my guns take them away from all the criminals, gang bangers and other people for whom it is already illegal to own guns first.
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How about you provide anything at all that suggests any of us want to take your guns away and stop making up crap thats plainly not going to happen to try and make a point, since simple facts don't seem to suit your lame hysteria.

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Some more common sense

[img]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/943327_647050021975444_1899279345_n.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='cookinwithgas' timestamp='1367289224' post='2218041']
Some more common sense

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be homeless?

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Well obviously they need to be homeless and surround themselves only by eunichs. CWG's offering.

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Move in with a stranger.

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Some more common sense

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Instead of banning the gun from the house.....the woman should ban the guy abusing her from the house.

 

I am not trivializing spousal abuse at all.....but if someone is smacking you around, get the hell out.

 

Or.....take that gun that is in the house and shoot the bastard. 

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You all don't appear to be familiar with real life.

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Well obviously they need to be homeless and surround themselves only by eunichs. CWG's offering.

 

More workable, real world solutions from G5.

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the point is, everything else being equal, a woman is six times more likely to die from spousal abuse in a house with a gun than not.

 

For your seemingly clever little ideas to make sense, women would also have to ban their husbands or kill them first at a rate 6 times more than women with no guns in the house, which is a little more problematic than the actual common sense solution.

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And maybe you could extrapolate from your awesome conclusions that men in houses with guns are 6 times more dickish.

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And maybe you could extrapolate from your awesome conclusions that men in houses with guns are 6 times more dickish.

 

Only thing that can be concluded from this thread is that you are a bigger idiot and asshole than originally thought....

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I hear AR-15 prices might start normalizing soon.

 

I am excite!

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the point is, everything else being equal, a woman is six times more likely to die from spousal abuse in a house with a gun than not.

 

For your seemingly clever little ideas to make sense, women would also have to ban their husbands or kill them first at a rate 6 times more than women with no guns in the house, which is a little more problematic than the actual common sense solution.

 

Still love how you want to continue blaming the gun and not the asshole with the gun.

 

How about stronger laws on abuse?  That is the better solution.

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:sleep:

I question the Validity of a poll/survey/w.e that says the State of NC has "worse" gun violence than the State of California.

They are just twisting words around so that the data will fit their argument. 

 

Anyone who truly believes that North Carolina or South Carolina has a worse gun problem than California or Illinois are dumb enough to believe anything else that suports their beliefs.

 

The truth is that the states with the highest per-capita gun ownership are most often the states with the least crime, both violent and non violent. 

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Still love how you want to continue blaming the gun and not the asshole with the gun.

 

How about stronger laws on abuse?  That is the better solution.

 

You seem to have no knowledge of the nature of the problem or the laws already on the books, which is about right.

 

It's the asshole with the gun thats 6 times more likely to kill then just the asshole. It's about as easy as it gets here.

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Me neither

 

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1997/02/24/knives-00006/

 

For example a study in The Journal of Trauma (36:4
pp516-524) looked at all injury admissions to a Seattle hospital over
a six year period. The mortality rate for gunshot wounds was 22%
while that for stab wounds was 4%. Even among patients that survived,
gunshot wounds were more serious — the mean cost of treatment for
these patients was more than twice that for stab wounds.

This isn't about "can knives kill people?!" it's "guns are more dangerous than knives when it comes to mortality."

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