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Is Julius Peppers the greatest player in Panthers history?

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somebody just dug a giant massive humungous fuging hole in the middle of the road and hoped everyone would just not see it and drive right into it en masse

sure enough

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Because you know better than someone on the team if someone isnt giving their all. I trust my eyes and what teammates say. Im glad Beason called him out. Just like im glad smith called cam out.

Okay, give your more players that praised Peppers....and all you have is a Jon Beason comment. Which clearly was an immature moment and being caught up in one of Allen's great statistical games.

I find it funny people praise Beason and Smith for that....both where in the wrong.

Ask Charles Johnson about Peppers....

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Steve Smith is without question the greatest Panther of all time.

Peppers was great for us, but nowhere close to the best. I don't understand why you are posting highlights and/or stats of him post Carolina. That has nothing to do with us. He's actually been much worse of a player since leaving our organization, but anything great he has done since leaving has nothing to do with us. That would be like the Panthers using Reggie White to take credit for everything he did before coming to Carolina and saying he's the best of all time for us.

We all appreciate Peppers for his service here, but he was always an awkward guy and never wanted to be loved and never wanted to perform to his potential day in and day out. He was never a leader and never really seemed happy. He had some great years, but we don't miss him. When Smitty retires we're all going to miss the hell out of him for a long long time. It feels like Peppers was never even here these days. Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy have more than replaced his presence. And Peppers was never a special guy off the field like Smitty is as well.

Nowhere close?

That makes your post nowhere near accurate, wouldn't?

If you just let the play in the field speak for itself....ignore all off field stuff (good and bad). Peppers is right there with Smith.

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somebody just dug a giant massive humungous fuging hole in the middle of the road and hoped everyone would just not see it and drive right into it en masse

sure enough

I saw it coming but I was bored and can be a pie ***** from time to time, which this thread envokes.

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30.5 is good. Not spectacular, but pretty good.

Even looking at his FF, INTs and blocks, nothing really leaps out at you. Maybe his INTs? He's never been close to Jared Allen as a player, but Peppers is a nice DE.

Peppers is entering his 12th year...he isn't suppose to wow you right now...

Career wise....all his numbers jump out bc he is the only player you find in the mix in all those different aspects.

Allen is a better pass rusher....Peppers the better overal player. Career production backs it

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Hell no.

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Okay, give your more players that praised Peppers....and all you have is a Jon Beason comment. Which clearly was an immature moment and being caught up in one of Allen's great statistical games.

I find it funny people praise Beason and Smith for that....both where in the wrong.

Ask Charles Johnson about Peppers....

You are that kid in my seminar class who has to disagree regardless. Either because your bored or because you're a douche. Probably both. Lets pick and choose information. The leader of the defense, Beason or the new DE, who is trying to model himself after the best defensive player. Take a personality between Cj or Beason to be a leader. I take Beast everyday and twice on sunday

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You are that kid in my seminar class who has to disagree regardless. Either because your borrd pr because you're a douche. Probably both. Lets pick and choose information. The leader of the defense, Beason or the new DE, who is trying to model himself after the best defensive player. Take personality between Cj or Beason to be a leader. I take Beast everyday and twice on sunday

Name me player that has ever questioned Peppers outside Beason....who quickly apologized. Go back and look at all those who have addressed those who have questioned Peppers. It is a landslide reaction in favor of Peppers.

There are some posters on this board who view certain payers as mini gods. Steve Smith could take a dump on Rivera's desk and some one find a way to spin as just another reason Smith is awesome.

Beason made a mistake.

But those is me bowing out of my discussion with you....I can discuss things all day. But once one resorts to childish name calling I have no interest in discussing things with them

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Nowhere close?

That makes your post nowhere near accurate, wouldn't?

If you just let the play in the field speak for itself....ignore all off field stuff (good and bad). Peppers is right there with Smith.

How is he right there with Smith? You think he had the same impact on the Panthers that Smith has? Really?

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I've watched Peppers his entire career as well and we are just going to have to agree to disagree on the subject. Peppers is the most dominant DE of the past decade and plays hard every game. As pointed out earlier, he didn't rack up his stats and accolades by "coasting through his career."

http://en.wikipedia..../Julius_Peppers

College Football Awards and honors

NFL awards and honors

  • NFL Rookie of the Month (10/02)

  • 2002 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year

  • 2004 NFL Alumni Defensive Lineman of the Year

  • 2004 NFC Defensive Player of the Year

  • NFL 2000's All Decade Team

  • 100 Sacks Club

  • 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 NFC Pro Bowl

  • 2004, 2006, 2010 All-Pro First Team

  • 2008, 2009, 2012 All-Pro Second Team

  • Four time NFC Defensive Player of the Month (11/2004, 10/2006, 11/2010, 11/2011)

  • Five time NFC Defensive Player of the Week (11/13/06, 11/9/08, 11/1/09, 11/18/10,12/23/12)

Panthers franchise records

  • Most career sacks (81)
  • Most career forced fumbles (30)
  • Longest Interception return: 97 (vs. Denver Broncos 10/10/04)

NFL records and accomplishments

  • Most interception return yards by a defensive lineman in NFL history: 178 yds
  • Most interception return yards in a single season by a defensive lineman in NFL history: 143 yds
  • Longest interception return by a defensive lineman in NFL history: 97 yds
  • Most interception return yards in a single game by a defensive lineman in NFL history: 97 yds
  • Most combined interception and fumble return yards by a defensive lineman in a single season since NFL merger in 1970: 203 yds
  • Tied for second most interceptions returned for touchdowns by a defensive lineman in NFL history: 2
  • Eighteenth most sacks in NFL history: 111.5
  • Tied for tenth most forced fumbles in NFL history: 37
  • Tied for second most interceptions by a defensive lineman in NFL history: 8
  • Third most passes defensed by a defensive lineman in NFL history: 59
  • Second most blocked kicks in NFL history: 13
  • Tied for fifth most double digit sack seasons in NFL history: 8
  • Tied for fourth most games with at least three sacks: 9
  • Tied for fifteenth most multiple sack games in NFL history: 28

Pep is very very good, maybe even the best at his position and he did all that off of his talent alone. If he had an ounce of want to we would be talking about the best player to ever play the game. That is what is so frustrating about pep.

Secondly, did you just create this thread to tell everyone their opinions are wrong?

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How is he right there with Smith? You think he had the same impact on the Panthers that Smith has? Really?

As pure players.....yes.

Fan love....no.

Career wise Peppers ranks higher amongst his DE peers than Smith among his. I say they are right there as players bc Peppers despite ranking higher....he had help and didn't rely on so much else to occur in order to make plays vs Smith

Impact on Panther history and best player to of played the bulk of his career here really hit on slightly different questions though IMO.

I will say this, unlike Peppers, Smith has had one of the greatest single seasons in NFL history....but Peppers despite not reaching the ceiling people wanted was consistently just as awesome

Saying Smith is better is fine. saying it isn't close....is just hate

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Name me player that has ever questioned Peppers outside Beason....who quickly apologized. Go back and look at all those who have addressed those who have questioned Peppers. It is a landslide reaction in favor of Peppers.

There are some posters on this board who view certain payers as mini gods. Steve Smith could take a dump on Rivera's desk and some one find a way to spin as just another reason Smith is awesome.

Beason made a mistake.

But those is me bowing out of my discussion with you....I can discuss things all day. But once one resorts to childish name calling I have no interest in discussing things with them

You are a troll. And there is nothing childish about calling someone a douche when they are being one. Stop quoting my posts all the time and ill stop answering you. Beason has one of the highest character personalities on this team. I trust him before Cj. And who else would question him? Of course he recounted, everyone that has ever spoken out is made to recount. Bowing out CRA.

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