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Is Julius Peppers the greatest player in Panthers history?


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#46 CatMan72

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:05 PM

If Kevin Greene who has 49 more sacks than Peppers isn't in the HOF, how do you figure Peppers will be a first ballot? Peppers top sack season was 14.5. Greene equalled or bested 14.5 5 times.


I suspect Greene isn't in the HOF because of the pro wrestling stuff... he'll get there some day but they're going to make him wait.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:06 PM

so are you a bears fan or something

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:06 PM

I remember quite a few Vick vs Peppers game, as he was really our only chance of stopping him before Thomas Davis. One memory that sticks out in particular was 2004 I think, when Peppers literally grabbed the ball out of Vick's hand and went for a TD.



That Falcons/Panthers sunday night game is one of the best panther games I've ever seen. It was that game where Vick dove in for a score and his knee was literally a centimeter off the turf in the GA dome. We did lose but I remember the game and it was incredible to watch.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:07 PM

oh...and the best panther would be one who didn't quit on his team. you know, like peppers did.


btw...CJ is better.


Johnson can't hold Peppers jock strap, sorry.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:07 PM

Oh, and Peppers is not anywhere close to a first ballot HOF'er - he'll be lucky to get in at all.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:07 PM

if 2009 didn't exist, then yes.


Peppers was awesome in 2009.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:08 PM

Thats a load of BS there bud. The media in Carolina made that crap up about Peppers and some of the stupid fans bought that crap up, I think that is a major reason Peppers left, because he didn't feel appreciated in Carolina.

http://www.catscratchreader.com/2008/4/5/224349/7282

Seriously, we do know that Peppers had an undisclosed illness during training camp that caused him to miss some time. One rumor was that the medication he was taking made him lethargic and affected his aggressiveness. We still don’t know for sure what the illness was which I find a little strange.

http://espn.go.com/b...h-peppers-motor

"He had it [the reputation] coming out of college," Trgovac said Tuesday at Super Bowl media day. "I always attribute it to [the fact] he's so smooth and natural. I was his position coach his rookie year, and he was rookie of the year by the way, and he only played 12 games. I did every [college] game on him because we had just been hired there in Carolina and Houston already said they were going to take quarterback David Carr, so we had to choose between Julius and Joey Harrington.

"People always talked about him taking plays off and doing this, but he's just so smooth and natural that he does things so easy that people think he's being lazy. But Julius plays hard. That reputation has always followed him, and maybe will always follow him for his whole career. I don't know, I hope not, because he is a really good guy. He commands a lot of attention. What was really impressive for us [in Carolina] was his work ethic in practice. He busts his butt in practice and I don't think the kid ever got enough credit for that."

http://articles.chic...eppers-john-fox

In Charlotte, N.C., they still talk about the back-to-back plays Julius Peppers made in a game in Denver in 2004.
On third-and-3, he pushed Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer out of bounds on a bootleg after a 2-yard gain. Then on fourth-and-1, he intercepted Plummer's pass and ran it back 97 yards.

That is how Peppers will be remembered by John Fox, the only NFL head coach Peppers has known.
"Pep's a heck of a player," Fox said Monday. "I knew he'd be a guy who would be one of the first to get signed. He hasn't had any injuries. He's clean as a whistle medically. I know he's 30, but he looks just like he did when he was 22."
Fox dispelled the notion that the Bears' new defensive end takes a lot of plays off. He said effort was not a problem for Peppers.
"He trains and works hard," Fox said. "He's a great kid. He's quiet, but he leads by example."

http://sports.yahoo....persbears011411


Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith and defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli approached the offseason evaluation of defensive end Julius Peppers with caution.
The second overall pick in the 2002 NFL draft, Peppers was a five-time Pro Bowl selection who had racked up 25 sacks in the previous two seasons, yet, during the 2010 offseason, he was an unrestricted free agent.

“We did a lot of homework on him,” Smith said, “and everything came back the same.”
Despite his immense NFL success – 81 sacks in his first eight seasons – Peppers was dogged by questions that he wasn’t consistent and that he didn’t fulfill his potential. So Smith wanted to be comfortable that Peppers was going to be a cornerstone defender and not a free-agent disaster.
Smith sought the input of numerous people he trusted, including his friend Ron Meeks, the Carolina Panthers’ defensive coordinator in 2009 and 2010.
“ ‘One of the best guys you will have a chance to coach,’ ” Smith recalled one person telling him. “Everything was positive.”
Peppers was an exception, so the Bears made an exception.

http://espn.go.com/b...his-fresh-start

Now that he’s accomplished the change, Peppers wants to finally silence the critics. One NFL coach who worked with Peppers in Carolina, held the same beliefs about a perceived lack of effort from the defensive end.
“When we were evaluating before we got him, I thought that too. Then one of our coaches gave me tape from the [2002] combine,” the coach said. “He said watch this one first; then watch Julius. I watched the first guy, he’s straining through this drill, grunting, making all kinds of faces. Right after that, Peppers comes up and goes through the same drill [the coach imitates an effortless run]. Smooth. You look at your watch, and Peppers just smoked the time [of the player in the first drill]. He just makes it look so easy sometimes it looks like he’s not trying.”


Peppers laughed at the story, before agreeing and adding his spin.
“You know, I think sometimes certain players – and I don’t name names – but certain players have a certain haircut, they have certain sack celebrations. They draw a lot of attention to themselves. That stuff can make it seem like you’re playing hard when really, you’re playing [about the same] as everybody else,” Peppers said. “You’re just bringing that extra attention to yourself. Just because I go about it mild mannered and I don’t do all of that stuff, maybe that’s something to talk about, too. If you hear [the criticism] from a coach that’s a different story. But I have yet to hear that from a coach. People who say it and watch the game don’t really understand my responsibilities on certain plays. If my play is not to run and chase the ball, if my play is to stay backside, then I’ve got to stay backside. I’ve got to be disciplined. I can’t run across the field and chase stuff that’s not mine. I can’t help that stuff comes easy sometimes; easier than somebody else. So I deal with it and hopefully, after this year, people won’t say that anymore.”
Still, critics will justifiably question whether the Bears paid too much for a player who could be entering the crossroads of his career. There’s also the legitimate concern that Peppers -- now that he’s received the big paycheck (he’ll make $40.5 million in the first three years) -- won't be motivated to play hard.
“That’s not my moral fiber, my character,” Peppers said. “I’m not above criticism. I can [take that] constructive[ly]; not saying that I believe it’s true. But if that’s something I have a chance to prove people wrong about, then I welcome that criticism. There’s pressure to perform. Being rewarded by this organization in that way only makes me want to play harder and repay them for what they did for me.”


You're an idiot.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Oh, and Peppers is not anywhere close to a first ballot HOF'er - he'll be lucky to get in at all.


Yeah he's going to need a ring accompanied with a great lasting impression.

I do think the Bears could be darkhorse superbowl contenders this year.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Do you think the Bears have realized they paid too much?

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:10 PM

If Kevin Greene who has 49 more sacks than Peppers isn't in the HOF, how do you figure Peppers will be a first ballot? Peppers top sack season was 14.5. Greene equalled or bested 14.5 5 times.


Because Greene was a one trick pony pass rusher who only made 5 pro bowls. Peppes has already made 8 pro bowls so far and will only add more before retiring. Peppers also is a 3 time fist team all pro and 3 time second team all pro so far. Peppers is an all around player that dominates games unlike Greene. Peppers blocks kicks, gets sacks, forced fumbles, interceptions, passes defensed, fumble recoveries, etc. and is dominant against the run. Peppers is the best defensive player of his generation along with Ray Lewis.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:10 PM

i like it when people come around and are trying to make an obvious definitive statement but frame it as a question as if they're willing to tolerate dissenting opinions at all.

i think you meant to type "julius peppers is the greatest player in panthers history. anybody who disagrees is going to get blasted with entire articles copied and pasted verbatim"

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:11 PM

Yeah he's going to need a ring accompanied with a great lasting impression.

I do think the Bears could be darkhorse superbowl contenders this year.


I don't, Cutler is a head case.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:11 PM

I suspect Greene isn't in the HOF because of the pro wrestling stuff... he'll get there some day but they're going to make him wait.


Greene is a 2x finalist and think he will make it next year. In the numbers game alone, if Greene takes 3 years to make the HOF, Peppers won't make it until 4-5

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:11 PM

Johnson can't hold Peppers jock strap, sorry.

not sure the desire is there. it's obviously there for you, tho. your mouth seems quite attached to his nether regions.

as far as being better...CJ has been more effective the past couple years. he's shown to be more dominant. and he's more consistent in his effort than peppers has been in years.

peppers is a punk and he's overrated. he's living and getting paid on on past glory while CJ is doing work.

julius peppers is essentially kerry collins.

a quitter.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:12 PM

I may be wrong here but was peppers a ghost in every playoff game? Im not sure.


That is false my friend, just because Peppers doesn't get a sack in every game doesn't mean he doesn't have an impact for his team.


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