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#1 nagai

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:38 AM

I've been thinking lately how all the prospects projected to go around 14 don't appeal to me.

Richardson
Vacarro
Austin
Patterson

Mocks usually have us taking one of these guys. I know I don't speak for everyone here, but choosing between these 4 are a bit like choosing which STD you'd rather have on your nuts. I much rather choose between these guys:

Allen
Hopkins
Cyprien
Sly
Fluker

The consensus is that these guys are a bit of a reach at 14. Well you know what? Fug that. Let's say you really, really like Hopkins -- you think he's the best WR in this draft (incidentally, he's the only prospect that visited the Panthers twice; unless you want to count Allen's workout at Proelific Park a visit). How far would you be willing to trade down? Well hell, even dropping past the Rams at 16 would make me uneasy. You just don't know how other teams rate players.

What am I trying to say? I'm saying that there's a good chance that the Panthers will stay at 14 and 'reach' for someone like Hopkins. When that happens, I'll be prepared and fine with it. You guys should jump on board.

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#2 Frash Brastard

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:47 AM

Basically if Kiper grades your draft well then you fuged up

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:09 AM

i just want to know who is the established authority on who is a reach or not?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:15 AM

i just want to know who is the established authority on who is a reach or not?

The omniscient members of the Huddle.

#5 Promethean Forerunner

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:18 AM

I'm fine with prospects like Allen, Hopkins, L. Johnson and Cyprien at 14th. Good value. As for 44th, prospects such as Escobar, B. Williams, Swearinger, Sly, D. Rogers and Warfold would be fantastic.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:20 AM

i just want to know who is the established authority on who is a reach or not?


Precisely. It's even vaguer with this year's draft. There's lots of quality, 2nd tier players.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:20 AM

everyone has their own opinion on players. Your opinion isn't everybody's. Me personally, I don't give 2 flippity fuccks who the hell we draft. As long as whoever it is makes us better and contributes to us winning I couldn't care less. I'm certainly not going to spend time worrying about.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:20 AM

I'm fine with prospects like Allen, Hopkins, L. Johnson and Cyprien at 14th. Good value. As for 44th, prospects such as Escobar, B. Williams, Swearinger, Sly, D. Rogers and Warfold would be fantastic.



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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:43 AM

Armanti Edwards was a player they liked. Everette Brown was a player they liked.

I thought after those 2 players. That all Panther fans would understand the true meaning of why you shouldn't reach in the draft.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 03:02 AM

I've been feeling for a while now that Keenan Allen will be the pick for some reason. Just a hunch.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 07:16 AM

I've been feeling for a while now that Keenan Allen will be the pick for some reason. Just a hunch.



Yeah, fug that. Lets draft someone who doesn't offer us anything different than what we already have. To hell with threatining the seams or having a true deep threat. Give me the possession receiver.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 07:51 AM

Yeah, fug that. Lets draft someone who doesn't offer us anything different than what we already have. To hell with threatining the seams or having a true deep threat. Give me the possession receiver.


I think people sometimes get caught up in labels with recievers. He is a possession receiver, oh we already have one of those. From what I've seen Keenan Allen is unlike any receiver we have on this roster. I would be happy with the pick.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 07:56 AM

Yeah, fug that. Lets draft someone who doesn't offer us anything different than what we already have. To hell with threatining the seams or having a true deep threat. Give me the possession receiver.


Yeah because the best receivers in the league are all deep threats. Screw knowing how to get open and run routes long as they can run fast, love that Raiders philosophy. I mean Boldin is a burner and the Ravens wouldnt have won a Superbowl without him the way he was torching defenses.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:15 AM

Yeah because the best receivers in the league are all deep threats. Screw knowing how to get open and run routes long as they can run fast, love that Raiders philosophy. I mean Boldin is a burner and the Ravens wouldnt have won a Superbowl without him the way he was torching defenses.




A deep threat is necessary in the type of offence we run. Boldin is a great WR, but he had a true deep threat lined up opposite of him. And the Ravens valued him so much they traded him. None of us know if Allen will even be on Boldins level. Id say not IMO. I think Nuk offers the same route running abilities and can still stretch the field.


I think people sometimes get caught up in labels with recievers. He is a possession receiver, oh we already have one of those. From what I've seen Keenan Allen is unlike any receiver we have on this roster. I would be happy with the pick.



I'd like to have a guy who can take over that #1 spot when Smitty hangs it up. I don't see that in Allen. Yes he runs good routes
But getting seperation at this level is more difficult. NFL caliber CBs are much tougher than college guys. CBs may suffocate him at this level. I wouldn't be shocked if Allen fell to the 2nd round.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:29 AM

I'd like to have a guy who can take over that #1 spot when Smitty hangs it up. I don't see that in Allen. Yes he runs good routes
But getting seperation at this level is more difficult. NFL caliber CBs are much tougher than college guys. CBs may suffocate him at this level. I wouldn't be shocked if Allen fell to the 2nd round.


You could say that about any reciever in this draft. There isn't a superstar right out of the gate. What really gets me excited about Allen is;

1. He produced with a QB who is at the level of The Golden Calf of Bristol or worse.
2. He lined up at a variety of different positions/ he is versatile.
3. He's big and is pretty shifty for a big guy.
4. The most important aspect of his game, which people undervalue. He is a great dude. Smart, Hard-working, film nut, leader and great teammate. A lot of people don't care about this, but when you add up all of this he is the total package receiver in this draft compared to everyone else.

I think Allen has just as good of a chance as any reciever in this draft to take over for Smitty.

A lot of people are timid because of the 4.71 40. He may drop to the second because of this and would be a steal at 44. I would be happy with the pick, but that said. I want DT/S in the first and WR/OG in the second. But what the fug do I know.


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