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DeAngelo for Darrelle?

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I'm one of, if not the BIGGEST DeAngelo homer on this site... Having said that see exhibits below:

Exhibit A- we already have two solid backs and lack corners

Exhibit B- The Jets lack a Big name solid back, and are trying to trade their star corner

Which leads me to

Exhibit C- This could be a shocker come draft day or perhaps before. The contracts would cancel each other out basically and with Darrelle's injury I'd be willing to say that it's an even trade.

Crazy yes (should've stopped)... Possible yes and no... Does it make sense? Absolutely it does, and it takes Revis from a Divisional foe in the process.

Discuss

Pretty sure that trading Darrelle would cost the Jets $ as well.

This possibility makes a lot of sense to me. On the flip side I could play Devil's advocate and say its a horrible idea (still should've stopped). I'd just like to generate the discussion. It likely won't happen, but of all the trade propositions that have been mentioned in the media I haven't heard this one (I wonder why). (Not surprising because it involves a Panther) but at any rate, this is an obvious one for one swap. (Lulz)

Whoever stated that we'd have to give up more than just DeAngelo that's just crazy talk (DWill for Revis, straight up, is not crazy talk? Lulz again).

As for the cap situation... Give Revis DeAngelo's money. We get rid of "dead weight" as many fans put it here. We fill an actual need simultaneously. I'm just throwing it out there. (Shouldn't have)

Maybe if somebody else other than me brought this up (I'm sure they did, and we laughed at too) it would be received differently? Either way, it's out of the bag, and until Thursday I don't see any reason why we can't all have a healthy and respectful debate about it. (Insane OP's typically don't get respect for obvious reasons)

Its funny how the media always gets these Blockbuster trades wrong and the details wrong. DeAngelo isn't injury prone either, so lets keep up with the times and have valid points if we're gonna disagree.

I'm gonna laugh when he goes to Cincinnati for a 3rd rndr (After the Bucs offer? Oh yeah, the media and people who may know something got that news wrong. But Dwill for Revis makes sense...) and conditional picks at the last second. There's always a team not in the reported mix that swoops right in for way less.

Personally if MUCH rather keep DeAngelo than get Revis (Hurney?). I do think its worth noting and bringing up the possibility which exists.

A lot more I could've done I'm sure, but you can't turn chicken poo into chicken salad.

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A lot more I could've done I'm sure, but you can't turn chicken poo into chicken salad.

You should have just said this:

"I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, so I'll just poke fun at TCF for the lolz and then add a really played out one liner at the end, worth at least 5 Internet brownie points"

When anybody wants to have a legitimate discussion about it PM me. I'm beyond tired of the immature back and forths on this site. Just want to talk about football and possible moves.

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You should have just said this:

"I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, so I'll just poke fun at TCF for the lolz and then add a really played out one liner at the end, worth at least 5 Internet brownie points"

When anybody wants to have a legitimate discussion about it PM me. I'm beyond tired of the immature back and forths on this site. Just want to talk about football and possible moves.

IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN!

I can bet my account that trading Revis for Dwill will not happen, it is even foolish to think so, you actually think they'll give up their ONLY star, the guy they build a defense around for Deangelo fuging Williams? You're a caricature.

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^That. You want a legit football discussion, get a legit idea that would actually have a sheer chance of ever happening. If you honestly think DWill for Revis, straight up, is a trade that could work or would ever happen...you have bigger issues than someone lulz'ing at your internet post.

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Why would anyone want Revis? He's too expensive and too much of a headache.

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From a needs standpoint it makes sense for both parties. I'm also not a moron, and I realize it will likely never happen. Jets are trying to rebuild and stock pile picks for Revis. They just waited one year too long.

Williams for Revis straight up I think benefits the Jets more than us. With DeAngelo they know exactly what they're getting. We'd be rolling the dice on Revis, especially at the Corner position.

I'd like to note how finicky most people are here that complain about Wiliams and his contract every other week, but then suddenly want to keep him and not get rid of him.

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From a needs standpoint it makes sense for both parties. I'm also not a moron, and I realize it will likely never happen. Jets are trying to rebuild and stock pile picks for Revis. They just waited one year too long.

Williams for Revis straight up I think benefits the Jets more than us. With DeAngelo they know exactly what they're getting. We'd be rolling the dice on Revis, especially at the Corner position.

I'd like to note how finicky most people are here that complain about Wiliams and his contract every other week, but then suddenly want to keep him and not get rid of him.

Part 1, contract issues only

Here is the deal, there is NO "Williams money" (from your previous comment) that we can pay Revis. As most of Williams salary was the signing bonus that money is already taken from the cap. Had he been given a ~$10M a year without bonus, yes we could have traded him and used "his" money for the new player. But as he was not we cannot do that.

I am sure you have seen the, hundreds, of threads about Williams contract, check anyone for detalis but the options are.

1. Trade before June 1st: Lose cap space this year.

2. Design as a June 1st trade. Gain about $1M this year.

Revis is demanding ~$15 a year. Even with the most possible Hurney magic tricks (like $56M signing bonus on a 6 year deal with $1M base salary, voidable after 4 years) will mean a ~$10M cap hit for 2013. This contract is terrible in every way possible including that fact that we would get ~$20 in dead money in 2017, but it is the only way I can see to get his number as low as possible for this year.

So, it is off the point we are talking about Revis. It could have been Brady, Manning, Petersen or Megatron. We do not have the possiblilty to sign any of them to the money they would demand as we neither have the cap space nor players enough with contracts that would give us more space even if cut.

So, it is not a personal thing with you. The way the nfl cap rules work, we cannot afford a new player that demands $15M a year.

Part 2, trade

This part is if we ignore contracts and just think: Is Deangelo in New York and Revis here a large enough win win so it could happen? I do not think so (and most other posters agree).

So you have made a suggestion that is not even possible (even if the Jets regarded Williams as better than Petersen) due to how the rules work. And in most peoples mind a decent player for a (if coming back healthy) really good one.

If think you have to live with being "lol"ed in this case.

P.S.

About the part with "will go to the Bengals for a 3rd". Sure, could happened. But is off the point as part 1 explains. Even if the Jets offered us to take Revis for a 6th we just could not do it due to the cap.

D.S.

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I'm a DeAngelo homer but at face value this trade would make sense if we could trade DeAngelo without taking a huge cap hit (which we would).

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I am sure you have seen the, hundreds, of threads about Williams contract, check anyone for detalis but the options are.

1. Trade before June 1st: Lose cap space this year.

2. Design as a June 1st trade. Gain about $1M this year.

I've never heard of a June 1st trade, unless that's a new CBA thing. But like you and other people said:

1. Deangelo isn't worth as much as the Buc's have offered, so they wouldn't take it.

2. It's impossible to free up the 20 million it would take to do this.

So, yeah, it's not going to happen. We could also try to trade Thomas Davis for Calvin Johnson, but that makes about the same kind of sense cap and value wise.

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This is how I feel about this thread......

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Cutting Williams as a June 1, asking him to take a paycut, or keeping him seem to be the only options

But the trade would be laughable if you were NY....they would be getting an expensive 30 yr old RB. That doesn't help them....Williams is a rental at this stage. Jets need building blocks

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I bet nobody so Anquan Boldin going to the 49ers for a fuging 6th rounder either. Stop knocking people for their ideas grow up. Nobody here works in any nfl front office poo that doesn't suppose to happen HAPPENS all the time.

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