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#131 pstall

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:49 AM

And I'm being general with the huddle as well.

Here's the deal. I understand there are two sides of the coin here and I get where some of you who are agnostic etc are coming from.
It comes across to me some of you are almost trying to convince yourself that your position is right. That's what I meant about the insecure comment. My opinion.

Every person from every walk of life has their own insecurities. That's life.

But always looking for concrete evidence on a subject of faith is oxymoronic. Faith is slippery and elusive at times and is far easier to find on your own then have it explained by someone else.
In addition I may toss out some things for a reaction to prove a subtle point about someone making comments that are counter to what one believes. Putting the shoe on the other foot and all.

I genuinely hope those here that are not chritians find and figure out the things they wrestle with if they really want to understand. Those that have commented here seem to be searching instead of just bashing.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

surely you are joking pstall, for surely you can tell that it is possible to believe that god does not exist while understanding that the existence of god IS a topic at the same time

frankly it takes a tremendous amount of security, not insecurity, for people raised in the context of the church to raise these sorts of questions and to give them the diligence they are due. insecurity, i think, leads necessarily to search for a god to ascribe meaning and purpose.

also remember that people use this god to invoke legislative jurisdiction over multiple facets of peoples' lives that are incredibly controversial, which means people aren't just attacking it because ho hum there's nothing better to do, they're questioning it because determining the answer is essential to how we as a society determine our collective mores (or interpret them should they be given to us.) i'll never understand why christians are so quick to throw down the "why do you care so much" card while lining up at the voting booth to cram upper paleolithic cosmology down the public's throats because ken ham said it's true on klove.



Absolutely correct.

Considering religion effects even us non believers on a daily basis through the actions of others, I think it is more than appropriate that we discuss it.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

Hi Cat, I was speaking in general just about the Huddle.

I would agree that Christians know very little about Islam, and vice versa. I know the basics of several of them, but do not spend huge amounts of time. Judaism would be somewhat more familiar because of the old testament. But, even the sects of Judaism become blurred at times.


Gotcha

I'm quite curious as to why you have not looked into other religions.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

theology will not make a change in a persons heart the way Jesus will.

and believers are just as impacted on a daily basis by non believers. we are all in the same boat, we just have different chairs on the deck and some have window seats and others don't.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

Gotcha

I'm quite curious as to why you have not looked into other religions.


Grew up like many of you in a conservative, bible thumping background. Walked away from that a bit during college and after. Late twenties found me heading back the old direction, but with some different views. Creation has a lot to do with it. No matter what black hole, big bang, blah, blah, blah, I read, I still felt intelligent design was where it started.

After that, Christianity was way more believable an option. Other religions did not have a complete a picture for me. I will confess that I did not spend years searching through them, but was thrown off by certain things.



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