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2nd child of Pa. couple dies after only praying


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#13 Mr. Scot

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:37 PM

I just don't get it...but I'll openly admit, I'm far less religious than the average bear and nowhere near as close as these folks. To be, it's a slam dunk...medicine!!!


I'm quite religious, and you'll never see me supporting this kind of thing. In fact, nobody I know would be in favor of going that route.

They call this a fundamentalist church, but I've never known any fundamentalist church to support denying medical treatment, especially to children. The only people I've ever really seen support this approach were cult members.

The idea that God teaches people not to go to doctors is utterly unsupported in the Bible. You have to twist Scripture to get that reading. It's especially ridiculous when you consider that the author of two books in the New Testament was a physician.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:43 PM

i posted in the other thread on this that i've come from a heavily fundamentalist religious context and i've seen all manner of dynamics played out on these sorts of issues, and the most confounding one to me is the idea of god as the great healer who will cure your ailments if you pray right or have enough faith or you are chosen; and this understanding is viewed microcosmically in the believer who, having a headache, prays for relief from the pain, with full belief that his faith will heal him, and in mid-prayer pops an aspirin, and then wakes up a few hours later from the nap he took praising god that his headache is gone.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

The idea that God teaches people not to go to doctors is utterly unsupported in the Bible. You have to twist Scripture to get that reading. It's especially ridiculous when you consider that the author of two books in the New Testament was a physician.


Matthew 21:21-22

Mark 11:20-25

John 14:12-13

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:02 PM

none of those say, "Don't trust doctors," just that prayer can do great things... I dunno, I think that saying that you shouldn't seek medical care according to new testament is a pretty clear distortion of the bible.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

I wonder how they've survived up until this point.

I mean, did they earn money to pay for food, or did they pray to God for some to land in their mouths?

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:18 PM

Obviously this case is way over the line but where do your religious freedoms end?

Can a parent claim that learning to read is against their religion?
Can they refuse to give their child dairy products?
What about eating fruit?
When does it become required for a parent to take their child to a doctor? Fever? Unresponsive?

Clearly letting children die is too far but it does beg the question of where the line is.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:18 PM

Luke was a physician. If you think the bible does not want you to get help or go thru surgery than there isn't much hope for you.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:23 PM

Luke was a physician. If you think the bible does not want you to get help or go thru surgery than there isn't much hope for you.


Didn't you claim you took a NT class in college? Or was that someone else?

I don't think it's a huge leap for people who believe the bible is 100% correct to read the scriptures I posted and believe there is no need for meds, just prayer and faith.
Hell Jesus didn't eat for 40 whole days and was fine. God will provide.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

The world would be a better place without religion.

Sure, we would still have stupid people. But at least they could not use religion as an excuse.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:44 PM

The world would be a better place without religion.

Sure, we would still have stupid people. But at least they could not use religion as an excuse.


They'd just find another reason.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:49 PM

5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 5:26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, 5:27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. 5:28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole. 5:29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.

Mark 5: 25-29. I believe this is where some of the pertinent b.s. comes from regarding seeking Jesus instead of a doctor.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:52 PM

They'd just find another reason.


True. I just don't think anyone should be able to hide behind a cloak of religion to gain a more lenient sentence of 10 years probation for letting your child die instead of seeking medical treatment.

Should at least charge them with involuntary manslaughter.