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#16 mav1234

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:02 PM

none of those say, "Don't trust doctors," just that prayer can do great things... I dunno, I think that saying that you shouldn't seek medical care according to new testament is a pretty clear distortion of the bible.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

I wonder how they've survived up until this point.

I mean, did they earn money to pay for food, or did they pray to God for some to land in their mouths?

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:18 PM

Obviously this case is way over the line but where do your religious freedoms end?

Can a parent claim that learning to read is against their religion?
Can they refuse to give their child dairy products?
What about eating fruit?
When does it become required for a parent to take their child to a doctor? Fever? Unresponsive?

Clearly letting children die is too far but it does beg the question of where the line is.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:18 PM

Luke was a physician. If you think the bible does not want you to get help or go thru surgery than there isn't much hope for you.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:23 PM

Luke was a physician. If you think the bible does not want you to get help or go thru surgery than there isn't much hope for you.


Didn't you claim you took a NT class in college? Or was that someone else?

I don't think it's a huge leap for people who believe the bible is 100% correct to read the scriptures I posted and believe there is no need for meds, just prayer and faith.
Hell Jesus didn't eat for 40 whole days and was fine. God will provide.

#21 TruthVsComfort

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

The world would be a better place without religion.

Sure, we would still have stupid people. But at least they could not use religion as an excuse.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:44 PM

The world would be a better place without religion.

Sure, we would still have stupid people. But at least they could not use religion as an excuse.


They'd just find another reason.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:49 PM

5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 5:26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, 5:27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. 5:28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole. 5:29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.

Mark 5: 25-29. I believe this is where some of the pertinent b.s. comes from regarding seeking Jesus instead of a doctor.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:52 PM

They'd just find another reason.


True. I just don't think anyone should be able to hide behind a cloak of religion to gain a more lenient sentence of 10 years probation for letting your child die instead of seeking medical treatment.

Should at least charge them with involuntary manslaughter.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

Shallow people tend to hide behind anything. Avatars anyone?

This is an extreme version of an insincere faith. Sure faith is a factor but God is also pretty practical. You take one step he takes 2.

@ cat. I never took a NT course.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:34 PM

Shallow people tend to hide behind anything. Avatars anyone?

This is an extreme version of an insincere faith. Sure faith is a factor but God is also pretty practical. You take one step he takes 2.

@ cat. I never took a NT course.


do you believe god heals people who pray to him?

i've been contemplating putting this article up on facebook and trying to generate discussion but i have a gut feeling it's going to elicit a bunch of highly defensive responses the are knee-jerk reactions and don't result in anything resembling a constructive dialogue, so i'm sitting on it for now... the huddle is my cohort instead :)

#27 Kral

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:03 PM

They should be charged with murder. 0 tolerance for nonsensical beliefs impacting people other than yourself.

In what way is God practical?

#28 Mr. Scot

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:03 PM

Matthew 21:21-22

Mark 11:20-25

John 14:12-13


Oh yeah. Those verses clearly say "Don't go to the doctor" :rolleyes:

Perhaps you should check these out...

Matthew 9:12

Mark 2:17

Luke 5:31

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:03 PM

do you believe god heals people who pray to him?

i've been contemplating putting this article up on facebook and trying to generate discussion but i have a gut feeling it's going to elicit a bunch of highly defensive responses the are knee-jerk reactions and don't result in anything resembling a constructive dialogue, so i'm sitting on it for now... the huddle is my cohort instead :)


Its not so much God healing as much as its faith. Many scriptures show where Jesus would say go your faith has healed you etc. Yes I believe that can happen and miracles can happen.
Why not do both? See and listen to the doctor AND pray.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:33 PM

Its not so much God healing as much as its faith. Many scriptures show where Jesus would say go your faith has healed you etc. Yes I believe that can happen and miracles can happen.
Why not do both? See and listen to the doctor AND pray.


if faith heals then, why take medicine at all? it's not very faithful


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