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I'll be outraged if the Panthers don't put up historical rushing numbers this year!

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OL sucked balls last year overall....making most gameplans spotty at best.

I would ask you....what is so great in regards to bragging about the ability of guys watching from the sideline?

Read option today is more of a play action move for athletic QBs in evolving offenses. Read option looks are just one way for Cam to see and take advantage of opportunities that may present themselves....

Of course the play is fine, but we overkilled it. Besides that, I wouldn't say the read option is Cam's strength anyway. When you look at other QBs do it, in the times the play is not successful, it's not a big loss. However, in the times Cam is not successful in the read option, it's usually for a loss of yardage. Cam's mechanics with the read option are at times slow, and I don't think there's any arguing that.

All in all, our rushing attack should be the best in the league. I'm not saying we should play Foxball, running every down. I'm saying when we do run the football, our success with it should be better than any other team. There's no rhyme or reason why it shouldn't be. Even with our O-line. Even Sanders got 2,000 yards with a group of paper bags blocking for him. The combine strengths and threat from our group of guys, should equal that of the great Barry Sanders.

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agreed.

if we are doing what we're supposed to be doing, ie having a balanced offense and winning games, then we won't be setting any records in the run game.

i like being capable, but i'd rather have passing records because that's more indicitive of a winning record than having rushing records but truthfully i'd just rather be a team that wins rather than setting records. that's all that matters.

score more than 25 per game. allow less than 20 per game. that = winning. scoring points than your opponents can keep up with = winning.

You're also going to need ball control as well. A lot of passing yards can also indicate you are playing from behind. Pass a lot and score a lot early, then close it out with great running.

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running the ball doesn't mean winning the game. it means you're either too stubborn to or can't pass or you already have the game controlled.

Think whatever you want but if we are running the ball effectively it means we are winning games. If we run the ball like we did week 1 @ TB were going no where fast. We run the ball like the last 4, 5 weeks surprise surprise we won games

cause we started to run the ball in a more conventional manor, no?

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unrealistic expectations is what you have.

Outage due to unrealistic expectations is a sure sign of immaturity.

Outrage about anything related to a football team or game is a sign of immaturity.

You worry about things that you can control.

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We need a road grader at RG to make it happen.

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Think whatever you want but if we are running the ball effectively it means we are winning games. If we run the ball like we did week 1 @ TB were going no where fast. We run the ball like the last 4, 5 weeks surprise surprise we won games

cause we started to run the ball in a more conventional manor, no?

no.

we started to win when we ran a more balanced offense and cam was throwing better.

teams run when they aren't behind (or they can't pass).

the more teams run, the more the have the game under control.

that's one thing people don't understand. people will look at past losses and see comparitively few rushing attempts compared to passing, thinking that the reason for the losses were the small number of rushing attempts but that just isn't the case. the lack of rushing attempts were because we were losing, not the other way around.

when a team is fighting for the lead or coming from a deficit, you don't run the ball. you throw it. you don't have the luxury of eating time off the clock, you have to pass to get downfield and into the endzone as quickly as possible.

we simply stopped being stupid, made the offense balanced, and cut down on boneheaded mistakes. it's got nothing to do with being conventional and everything to do with playing smart and balanced.

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running the ball doesn't mean winning the game. it means you're either too stubborn to or can't pass or you already have the game controlled.

Ugh, tell that to Jim and John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Gary Kubiak...just sayin', hell the Vikings made it with Adrian Peterson/Christian Ponder...you think with our stable of backs and Cam we can't run our way along with our established passing game into the post-season...

Passing teams that didn't do jack in the playoffs include--Green Bay, New England, Atlanta,

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I get what you're saying but you have to enter a good amount of air into that equation---compensate for Cam Air. Kinda like the yen and the yang. Smitty, Olsen Lafell, & TBA:

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Of course the play is fine, but we overkilled it. Besides that, I wouldn't say the read option is Cam's strength anyway. When you look at other QBs do it, in the times the play is not successful, it's not a big loss. However, in the times Cam is not successful in the read option, it's usually for a loss of yardage. Cam's mechanics with the read option are at times slow, and I don't think there's any arguing that.

All in all, our rushing attack should be the best in the league. I'm not saying we should play Foxball, running every down. I'm saying when we do run the football, our success with it should be better than any other team. There's no rhyme or reason why it shouldn't be. Even with our O-line. Even Sanders got 2,000 yards with a group of paper bags blocking for him. The combine strengths and threat from our group of guys, should equal that of the great Barry Sanders.

It was VERY successful in 2011 when Cam ran it....and in 12 typically only went for a loss when a RB ran the read behind a OL doing nothing.

You can't combine talent to equal Sanders...one RB, one ball....whatever RB is on the sideline doesn't double the ability of the guy on the field. None of our RBs should be mentioned with Sanders

Cam offense. All we need to worry about is giving him an OL, a D, and a playmaker to throw to. Anyone can run well with that in place.

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Ugh, tell that to Jim and John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Gary Kubiak...just sayin', hell the Vikings made it with Adrian Peterson/Christian Ponder...you think with our stable of backs and Cam we can't run our way along with our established passing game into the post-season...

Passing teams that didn't do jack in the playoffs include--Green Bay, New England, Atlanta,

ugh yourself.

how long did it take kubiak to win? and where would they be were it not for their stud D? and their passing O was pretty good. 11th overall compared to having the 8th best rush so they were pretty balanced, but they ran a lot and ran well because they had control of the games.

jim harbaugh's team won because of balance. dominant defense and dominant opportunisitic offense with a kaepernick rushing threat, but they ran a lot and ran well because they had control of games.

john harbaugh's team was held back until flacco turned into a QB passing superstar heading into the playoffs. they wouldn't have even gone to the superbowl had it not been for them becoming a pass heavy team. but yes, they ran well and they ran a lot throughout the years because they had control of games.

pete carroll...won because that defense gave them a ton of opportunities, kept them with good field position, and kept other teams out of the endzone, ie...they ran because they had control of games.

oh...about the pats not doing jack int he playoffs? who'd they beat? kubiak's team.

and the packers who didn't do jack? you must have forgotten that they beat the team with the 2nd most rushing yards, 8th most rushing attempts, and 9th most rushing TDs in the league to get to the second round. and the seahawks beating the falcons? do you realize how much they passed the ball in that game?

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The best offenses, are always the well balanced ones.

There are a lot of pass heavy teams in the league today, but ya still need balance.

The more balanced the offense is with the run AND pass, the harder both are to defend.

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The best offenses, are always the well balanced ones.

There are a lot of pass heavy teams in the league today, but ya still need balance.

The more balanced the offense is with the run AND pass, the harder both are to defend.

I personally think some of the better offenses in recent history have been slanted pass....

I think the better the D....the less you need from the QB....and the more likely you see a balanced O out of need/style

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