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#31 SetfreexX

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:17 AM

running the ball doesn't mean winning the game. it means you're either too stubborn to or can't pass or you already have the game controlled.


Ugh, tell that to Jim and John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Gary Kubiak...just sayin', hell the Vikings made it with Adrian Peterson/Christian Ponder...you think with our stable of backs and Cam we can't run our way along with our established passing game into the post-season...

Passing teams that didn't do jack in the playoffs include--Green Bay, New England, Atlanta,

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:42 AM

I get what you're saying but you have to enter a good amount of air into that equation---compensate for Cam Air. Kinda like the yen and the yang. Smitty, Olsen Lafell, & TBA:

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:52 AM

Of course the play is fine, but we overkilled it. Besides that, I wouldn't say the read option is Cam's strength anyway. When you look at other QBs do it, in the times the play is not successful, it's not a big loss. However, in the times Cam is not successful in the read option, it's usually for a loss of yardage. Cam's mechanics with the read option are at times slow, and I don't think there's any arguing that.

All in all, our rushing attack should be the best in the league. I'm not saying we should play Foxball, running every down. I'm saying when we do run the football, our success with it should be better than any other team. There's no rhyme or reason why it shouldn't be. Even with our O-line. Even Sanders got 2,000 yards with a group of paper bags blocking for him. The combine strengths and threat from our group of guys, should equal that of the great Barry Sanders.


It was VERY successful in 2011 when Cam ran it....and in 12 typically only went for a loss when a RB ran the read behind a OL doing nothing.

You can't combine talent to equal Sanders...one RB, one ball....whatever RB is on the sideline doesn't double the ability of the guy on the field. None of our RBs should be mentioned with Sanders

Cam offense. All we need to worry about is giving him an OL, a D, and a playmaker to throw to. Anyone can run well with that in place.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

Ugh, tell that to Jim and John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Gary Kubiak...just sayin', hell the Vikings made it with Adrian Peterson/Christian Ponder...you think with our stable of backs and Cam we can't run our way along with our established passing game into the post-season...

Passing teams that didn't do jack in the playoffs include--Green Bay, New England, Atlanta,

ugh yourself.

how long did it take kubiak to win? and where would they be were it not for their stud D? and their passing O was pretty good. 11th overall compared to having the 8th best rush so they were pretty balanced, but they ran a lot and ran well because they had control of the games.

jim harbaugh's team won because of balance. dominant defense and dominant opportunisitic offense with a kaepernick rushing threat, but they ran a lot and ran well because they had control of games.

john harbaugh's team was held back until flacco turned into a QB passing superstar heading into the playoffs. they wouldn't have even gone to the superbowl had it not been for them becoming a pass heavy team. but yes, they ran well and they ran a lot throughout the years because they had control of games.

pete carroll...won because that defense gave them a ton of opportunities, kept them with good field position, and kept other teams out of the endzone, ie...they ran because they had control of games.

oh...about the pats not doing jack int he playoffs? who'd they beat? kubiak's team.

and the packers who didn't do jack? you must have forgotten that they beat the team with the 2nd most rushing yards, 8th most rushing attempts, and 9th most rushing TDs in the league to get to the second round. and the seahawks beating the falcons? do you realize how much they passed the ball in that game?

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:33 AM

The best offenses, are always the well balanced ones.

There are a lot of pass heavy teams in the league today, but ya still need balance.

The more balanced the offense is with the run AND pass, the harder both are to defend.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:39 AM

The best offenses, are always the well balanced ones.

There are a lot of pass heavy teams in the league today, but ya still need balance.

The more balanced the offense is with the run AND pass, the harder both are to defend.


I personally think some of the better offenses in recent history have been slanted pass....

I think the better the D....the less you need from the QB....and the more likely you see a balanced O out of need/style

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

I personally think some of the better offenses in recent history have been slanted pass....

I think the better the D....the less you need from the QB....and the more likely you see a balanced O out of need/style

agreed. recent history shows that if you are going to slant one way or the other, it's better to slant towards the passing game.

but success generally follows those teams who have a balanced offense between the pass and the run and offense and defense.

point blank, you have to be able to control games. if you are pass heavy, you just have to run up the score and control the game that way. generally, tho, those teams have weak defenses so they have no choice but to run up the score. those teams who are run heavy and win have to have their run game paired with a defense that can shut down opposing offenses and keep them at about 20ppg or lower.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:53 AM

agreed. recent history shows that if you are going to slant one way or the other, it's better to slant towards the passing game.

but success generally follows those teams who have a balanced offense between the pass and the run and offense and defense.

point blank, you have to be able to control games. if you are pass heavy, you just have to run up the score and control the game that way. generally, tho, those teams have weak defenses so they have no choice but to run up the score. those teams who are run heavy and win have to have their run game paired with a defense that can shut down opposing offenses and keep them at about 20ppg or lower.


yep

you can win in the NFL with a great QB and pass O......bad run game and questionable D.

you can't win with great RBs.......bad pass and questionable D.

ideally, you want a strong D...and the ability to run and pass not having to be one dimensional (makes injury a bigger issue)

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

Also the most explosive offenses (most passes that go for 30-40 yards), are well balanced. The run has to be effective enough to draw the defense closer to the line of scrimmage.



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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

unless we use our 1st two picks on o-line, don't get your hopes up

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:05 PM

We don't have the line for it.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:06 PM

Chances that Shula can coach a record breaking offense?


110% !!!!!

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:09 PM

Chances that Shula can coach a record breaking offense?


110% !!!!!

THAt's THE SPRIT!!!!!111!!!!!!1!!1

#44 ElkinPanthersFan

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:41 PM

yep

you can win in the NFL with a great QB and pass O......bad run game and questionable D.

you can't win with great RBs.......bad pass and questionable D.

ideally, you want a strong D...and the ability to run and pass not having to be one dimensional (makes injury a bigger issue)


New England is no better example since about 2008. At least in terms of A of the 3 scenarios. They don't even have to have a strong D and if their D was mediocre at best, they'd have another Superbowl win

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

Chances that Shula can coach a record breaking offense?


110% !!!!!

THAt's THE SPRIT!!!!!111!!!!!!1!!1


You guys are finally coming around. YES!!!!!!!












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