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[quote name='MrBubba' timestamp='1367180763' post='2215990']
Kiper gave Panthers a C+
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When I think of Kiper I think of this

[url="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=105857029503181&set=vb.126849364059133&type=2&theater"]https://www.facebook...&type=2[/url]

he lost all credibility there. The video is him debating McShay about Clausen being the best thing since slice bread.

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Kiper did give us the second lowest grade, only above the Bills.


[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=transparent][background=transparent][img]http://a.espncdn.com/i/mag/blog/2011/kiperGrades/c_plus.png[/img][/background][/background][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]needs: CB, DT, FS, RT, WR[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Summary:[/b] The strategy was pretty clear for the Panthers: find some players that can help stop the run. Last year, even with the addition of [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14938/luke-kuechly"]Luke Kuechly[/url], they were simply awful up front. Well, [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29237/star-lotulelei"]Star Lotulelei[/url] was the best run-stuffing defensive tackle in this class, and is the definition of a player that can clear the runway for your linebackers to make stops at the line of scrimmage. Running in the A-gaps is not happening with Lotulelei around. [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29961/kawann-short"]Kawann Short[/url] is a nice depth addition as well, and can spell [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5576/dwan-edwards"]Dwan Edwards[/url]. Earlier this year I had Short going a lot higher, but this was a pretty good class of D-tackles at the top. [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29732/edmund-kugbila"]Edmund Kugbila[/url] provides depth at guard, but I didn't have that as a big need. [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/30186/kenjon-barner"]Kenjon Barner[/url] is a pretty complete running back in a smaller package. My big question: Where is the help at cornerback? I think it's a pretty big need, and there were a couple corners available I thought could have been taken ahead of Short. It's hard to hit all your needs, but I thought they did a great job on one big one, but totally neglected another.[/size][/font][/color]

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[quote name='amcoolio' timestamp='1367181532' post='2216012']
Kiper did give us the second lowest grade, only above the Bills.


[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][background=transparent][background=transparent][img]http://a.espncdn.com/i/mag/blog/2011/kiperGrades/c_plus.png[/img][/background][/background][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]needs: CB, DT, FS, RT, WR[/b][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Summary:[/b] The strategy was pretty clear for the Panthers: find some players that can help stop the run. Last year, even with the addition of [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14938/luke-kuechly"]Luke Kuechly[/url], they were simply awful up front. Well, [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29237/star-lotulelei"]Star Lotulelei[/url] was the best run-stuffing defensive tackle in this class, and is the definition of a player that can clear the runway for your linebackers to make stops at the line of scrimmage. Running in the A-gaps is not happening with Lotulelei around. [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29961/kawann-short"]Kawann Short[/url] is a nice depth addition as well, and can spell [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5576/dwan-edwards"]Dwan Edwards[/url]. Earlier this year I had Short going a lot higher, but this was a pretty good class of D-tackles at the top. [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29732/edmund-kugbila"]Edmund Kugbila[/url] provides depth at guard, but I didn't have that as a big need. [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/30186/kenjon-barner"]Kenjon Barner[/url] is a pretty complete running back in a smaller package. My big question: Where is the help at cornerback? I think it's a pretty big need, and there were a couple corners available I thought could have been taken ahead of Short. It's hard to hit all your needs, but I thought they did a great job on one big one, but totally neglected another.[/size][/font][/color]
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So if Kiper was a GM, he'd draft according to NEED?

OK. :lol:

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That's how ESPN grades the draft's for the teams, it based on how many needs did you fill. Not a bunch of value mentioned anywhere.

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Usually the teams with the most picks get the highest grades. Its pretty darn misleading considering how much you give up in the longterm (see the vikings). For instance nobody takes into consideration that we used our 3rd rounder on Frank Alexander who is a starting calibre player, you add that fact to our draft and suddenly it looks much better.

think of it like this, every year there are at least 32 "cant miss" picks made in the draft, AKA the first round, but its pretty rare for more than half of them to become as good as advertised.

Heck there are so many drafts we've had that got great grades from the media but ended up being god awful. Think of the Stewart and Otah draft. The Clausen pick/draft. Basically none of these goons know what they are talking about, its like predicting the superbowl right now.

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1367119957' post='2215074']
What health concerns does Star have?

Serious question. If the cardiac was misdiagnosis then what else is there?

Also, if Floyd was so much better why did he continue to slide?
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None, Walterfootball is immensely slow on receiving breaking news.

As for Floyd, there's a big reason as to why he fell. He was overhyped right from the get-go by a single scout and it spread like a virus. Shariff is a raw prospect with short arms and an average first step. I wasn't impressed by his bullrush either.

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Yea i went back and watched all of his youtube videos. The ones that have vs whomever. Star is light years ahead on the initial burst and he rarely ever and i mean RARELY ever gets pushed back. I even saw a couple times he pancaked double teams. I saw multiple times Shariff getting pushed back and while he did show burst it wasn't consistent like Star.

For Star to learn to be a pass rusher will just be icing on the cake. Shariff will be a good player though.

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Kiper hated our draft. There's no reason to degrade us that bad based on what you said. [img]http://i.imgur.com/m3mwzh9h.png[/img]

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Kiper is an idiot. For a person who never played a down of football --- I'll never understand why there is any value in his opinions. Mcshay is really the only person I listen to on ESPN and he liked our draft. Half of these people are biased and make judgments based on personal feelings. I give our draft a B+, and there is no reason any of our opinions should be less consired than Kipers other than the national coverage aspect.

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Anyone who holds even a shred of value in Mel Kipers "opinions" shouldn't bother posting.

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I don't care if anyone gives us an A+ or an F-, draft grading before anyone plays a snap is the most futile enterprise imaginable. It's like betting on the outcome of horse races before the horses are even born.

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Did Kiper just say he didn't have guard as a need for the Panthers? Wow

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