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#1 Kurb

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:08 PM

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A Sacramento couple is without their 5 month old baby after Child Protective Services sent in the police to forcibly remove the child from their care.
A hearing is scheduled for Monday, April 29, 2013 on the incident which was triggered when Anna Nikolayev and her husband Alex took baby Sammy out of Sutter Memorial Hospital and sought a second opinion at Kaiser Permanente, a rival hospital, for Sammy’s flu-like symptoms.


Anna and Alex were concerned about the quality of care baby Sammy was receiving at Sutter where he was admitted nearly two weeks ago. At one point, Anna questioned the antibiotics Sammy was being given and was alarmed that the nurse administering the treatment didn’t know why the child was receiving them. Anna claims that a doctor later said that Sammy should not have been receiving the medication.

When doctors began discussing the possibility of heart surgery, the parents decided to leave without a proper discharge in order to have the child examined elsewhere.

“If we got the one mistake after another, I don’t want to have my baby have surgery in the hospital where I don’t feel safe,” Anna said.

She added, ”We went from one hospital to another. We just wanted to be safe, that he is in good hands.”

While at Kaiser Permanente, the police showed up at the request of Sutter. The police told the parents that staff at Sutter had told them that the child was in such a bad state that, as Anna put it, “they thought that this baby is dying on our arms.”

After the police saw that baby Sammy was fine and examined medical records that clearly stated that Sammy was clinically safe to go home, they left.

The attending doctor at Kaiser said, “I do not have concern for the safety of the child at home with his parents.”

The next day, police came to Alex and Anna’s home.

Alex met them outside and was slammed against the wall and pushed to the ground.

His keys to the home were forcibly removed from him and the police entered the house to take the baby.

Anna’s home video of the incident shows police entering the home.

“I’m going to grab your baby, and don’t resist, and don’t fight me ok?” a Sacramento police officer is heard saying in the video.



#2 SZ James

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

that sucks

why is this in the tinderbox?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

that sucks

why is this in the tinderbox?


This is what happens when Obummer and his Kenyan Socialist friends come for your guns and your children to do forced "post natal abortions".

Just pre-empting the coming storm.

#4 pstall

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

Down playing? On govt over reach? In the tinderbox? The heck you say.......

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:07 PM

i don't know it just seems like a pretty clear cut thing to me

either a. return baby; find out who slipped up and deal with accordingly b. provide evidence of neglect

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Horrible

I'd be locked up on some pretty serious charges if they came for my child.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:12 PM

that sucks

why is this in the tinderbox?

Sucks is a bit of an understatement. I assure you I would be locked up, hospitalized or dead if I had been that Father. I hate saying this because it's really really cliche but it's hard to understand what a kid means to a parent until you have one. This is exceptional Emotional Trauma to this family. I can't fathom what they are feeling.

I have great distrust for the Government in most all forms. This is a incredibly gross abuse of CPS power by someone, either the hospital, CPS or some other entity. For the Police to show up and act this way, not on afirst time but on a SECOND compounds how egregious this is. I hope this family takes the irresponsible parties to the cleaners and I generally despise lawyering up.


This is what happens when Obummer and his Kenyan Socialist friends come for your guns and your children to do forced "post natal abortions".

Just pre-empting the coming storm.


That was not my intent here.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:18 PM

Sucks is a bit of an understatement. I assure you I would be locked up, hospitalized or dead if I had been that Father. I hate saying this because it's really really cliche but it's hard to understand what a kid means to a parent until you have one. This is exceptional Emotional Trauma to this family. I can't fathom what they are feeling.

I have great distrust for the Government in most all forms. This is a incredibly gross abuse of CPS power by someone, either the hospital, CPS or some other entity. For the Police to show up and act this way, not on afirst time but on a SECOND compounds how egregious this is. I hope this family takes the irresponsible parties to the cleaners and I generally despise lawyering up.




That was not my intent here.


I agree?

But explain this statement: "I hate saying this because it's really really cliche but it's hard to understand what a kid means to a parent until you have one. "

Who says I haven't?

#9 thefuzz

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

Good ole government to the rescue again.

#10 Kurb

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

I agree?

But explain this statement: "I hate saying this because it's really really cliche but it's hard to understand what a kid means to a parent until you have one. "

Who says I haven't?


I'm trying to assume less about people.
I have no context to assume you do or do not have a kid.

#11 MadHatter

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:50 PM

I am trying to understand a scenario as to how these actions could have made sense:

1. Parents remove child from hospital against the doctors recommendation and without a proper discharge
2. Doctors at the first hospital truly believed the child's life is in danger
3. Hospital calls police/CPS believing they were acting in the interest of the child
4. Police foudn the parents and child
5. Doctors at 2nd hospital say child will be fine and the child looks OK

Now....logic seems to suggest that it should stop here and all is well.

However, as protocol, I wonder if by law something more has to happen once a formal charge/complaint/etc was filed by the first hospital and doctor....making sure that everyone was truly working in the best interest of the child.

What would have happened if the first hospital would have been correct....police went to 2nd hospital and believed child was OK....police left....child subsequently died.

I would never have given my child up to them either. But, I am wondering if this is gov't over stepping their bounds or following strict protocol to ensure the health/safety of the child is at the forefront.

Not sure.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

I doubt we're getting all of the story, but... This would not end well for me.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

Clearly the hospital is in the wrong here. But its not as if we dont know why there are rules for the government to get involved http://www.carolinah...r-only-praying/


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