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#1 micnificent28

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:14 PM

After Having a day or so to calmly look at our draft, I still feel almost the same. I've come to terms with short as a decent pick in the second round and i'm ok with that. He will rotate in and be groomed to take over when Dwan is ready to be let go next season. The first big question came with the selection of Edmund Kugbila. I know there was a big need for help on the offense line,but was the value there with this selection? Could we have gotten him in the 6th? I personally don't believe in drafting D-II offense lineman that early because the transition to high level comp is to rapid. Sure they look good pushing around 260 defensive tackles,but when your suddenly playing the best of the best it looks completely different.

The trials of amini(when cordy glenn was still on the board) show that a dominate prospect in the lower ranks is still only average or below in the in NFL. Not to say both can't become good players,I just don't believe in drafting linemen that play against lower level comp that high. A.J. Klein ,at first i was in a rage. Not at his actual talent but there were still prospects on the board who I feel could have come in and competed for playing time if not start. Which brings me to one of my points on relying on what If's. Gettleman believe's many of the answers to our problems are already on the roster.So by not selecting a wr or offensive weapon he thinks that a healthy gettis or hixon will emerge as a solid number 3. I love gettis as much as the next but, I wouldn't bet a season on this guy returning to form and looking like the gettis of old. I'm still not 100% sold on lafell being the number 2.

We go into the season Betting that Beason and davis will be healthy. Which is why i'm ok with the klein pick at this point. It is highly unlikely both will finish the season healthy. I'd almost be willing to bet money that at some point one of them end's up on the IR. He is also betting that we're ok at corner and saftey,which most people in the NFL and myself question. I'm not nearly as high on Norman as most of the huddle. I don't think ron ron is either. You don't bench a high draft choice and future fixture (just to seek other options)If your sure he's the answer. I don't even know he goes into the season the starter.

Which brings me to Kenjon Barner. This pick was the biggest waste of nothing pick we had the whole draft. I don't hate Barner and actually was a fan of his in college. But, as crowded as our backfield is there isn't much chance to see the field. He isn't as fast as most think(4.52) and maybe the slowest of the 3 backs on the roster. Yes i know he ran a 4.39 at the pro day but,everyone runs faster at the pro day. It isn't official, It's hand timed. Even Teo droped a few tenths at his pro day. The plan seems to be he's insurance for the eventual(next season) loss of D-lo. If your not cutting a player til next year,why draft a subpar replacement this year? He's pretty much going to be red shirted this season(see lattimore who i much rather would have had in waiting) and may see time on special teams behind ginn. By the way, I looooove the star pick. Thank the football gods.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

Less whiny.... Your making progress.... Just wait until you see our Dline this year you will feel better then.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:29 PM

Norman wasn't a high pick, and Barner is potentially electric. Surely he may not see the field that much in his rookie season, but neither did many backs. IMO, we needed a scat back, and now we have one. Small investment, perhaps big rewards.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:33 PM

I actually think we had a very good draft.

Defense (including DB's) should be vastly improved with DL additions.

Finally got our 'scatback" and more comp for KR/PR.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:33 PM

ok dnr but I will give you this to make up for it

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:34 PM

Norman wasn't a high pick, and Barner is potentially electric. Surely he may not see the field that much in his rookie season, but neither did many backs. IMO, we needed a scat back, and now we have one. Small investment, perhaps big rewards.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:03 PM

He's a scat back we took in the SIXTH FRIGGIN ROUND. Those players rarely pan out. If he can make the roster and contribute in ANY way, it's a good pickup for a sixth rounder.

He's not a 4.5 guy, have you seen him play?? He's fast and can find holes. He will have over 300 yards receiving this year, just wait. Bitching about a sixth rounder.....SMH


As far as the OG, I feel he was worth a fourth rounder. Was he an absolute steal at that pick? Prolly not, but time will tell, but name another "hog Mollie" that could come in and start day 1. They saw potential with huge upside and pulled the trigger.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:09 PM

Whine to your wife about it.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:14 PM

After Having a day or so to calmly look at our draft, I still feel almost the same. I've come to terms with short as a decent pick in the second round and i'm ok with that. He will rotate in and be groomed to take over when Dwan is ready to be let go next season. The first big question came with the selection of Edmund Kugbila. I know there was a big need for help on the offense line,but was the value there with this selection? Could we have gotten him in the 6th? I personally don't believe in drafting D-II offense lineman that early because the transition to high level comp is to rapid. Sure they look good pushing around 260 defensive tackles,but when your suddenly playing the best of the best it looks completely different.

The trials of amini(when cordy glenn was still on the board) show that a dominate prospect in the lower ranks is still only average or below in the in NFL. Not to say both can't become good players,I just don't believe in drafting linemen that play against lower level comp that high. A.J. Klein ,at first i was in a rage. Not at his actual talent but there were still prospects on the board who I feel could have come in and competed for playing time if not start. Which brings me to one of my points on relying on what If's. Gettleman believe's many of the answers to our problems are already on the roster.So by not selecting a wr or offensive weapon he thinks that a healthy gettis or hixon will emerge as a solid number 3. I love gettis as much as the next but, I wouldn't bet a season on this guy returning to form and looking like the gettis of old. I'm still not 100% sold on lafell being the number 2.

We go into the season Betting that Beason and davis will be healthy. Which is why i'm ok with the klein pick at this point. It is highly unlikely both will finish the season healthy. I'd almost be willing to bet money that at some point one of them end's up on the IR. He is also betting that we're ok at corner and saftey,which most people in the NFL and myself question. I'm not nearly as high on Norman as most of the huddle. I don't think ron ron is either. You don't bench a high draft choice and future fixture (just to seek other options)If your sure he's the answer. I don't even know he goes into the season the starter.

Which brings me to Kenjon Barner. This pick was the biggest waste of nothing pick we had the whole draft. I don't hate Barner and actually was a fan of his in college. But, as crowded as our backfield is there isn't much chance to see the field. He isn't as fast as most think(4.52) and maybe the slowest of the 3 backs on the roster. Yes i know he ran a 4.39 at the pro day but,everyone runs faster at the pro day. It isn't official, It's hand timed. Even Teo droped a few tenths at his pro day. The plan seems to be he's insurance for the eventual(next season) loss of D-lo. If your not cutting a player til next year,why draft a subpar replacement this year? He's pretty much going to be red shirted this season(see lattimore who i much rather would have had in waiting) and may see time on special teams behind ginn. By the way, I looooove the star pick. Thank the football gods.

So you'd rather have Lattimore, coming off severe injury to eventually replace Deangelo who is probably more like Stewart than Williams. Barner is fast and is likely faster than Deangelo. He is also a pretty good receiver who is going to return kicks and do some screen work for us. He was a great pick.

Im with you on everything else. But either Gettleman is waiting for cuts or has something up his sleeve and Gettis is ready to make an impact. We worked out all of the top WR's and ignored them all on draft day. Something is up.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

Whine to your wife about it.


can we ban u again?

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:50 PM

can we ban u again?


I 2nd that

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:50 PM

So you'd rather have Lattimore, coming off severe injury to eventually replace Deangelo who is probably more like Stewart than Williams. Barner is fast and is likely faster than Deangelo. He is also a pretty good receiver who is going to return kicks and do some screen work for us. He was a great pick.

Im with you on everything else. But either Gettleman is waiting for cuts or has something up his sleeve and Gettis is ready to make an impact. We worked out all of the top WR's and ignored them all on draft day. Something is up.


If you know one of your guys is going to pretty much redshirt this year like barner is. Why not get one with way more upside. A potential stud. Yes coming off the knee injuries he still has much more upside than barner.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:51 PM

Im fine with barner, but he caught 19 passes last year. Everyone needs to quit acting like hes bush/sproles. I doubt he sees anytime this year.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:20 PM

If you know one of your guys is going to pretty much redshirt this year like barner is. Why not get one with way more upside. A potential stud. Yes coming off the knee injuries he still has much more upside than barner.

I predict barner has 300 yards receiving this year. He won't be a "redshirt"

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

Kugbila: If Gettleman liked Kugbila more than the other OL prospects available and put a high value on improving the OL, there's no reason to wait and HOPE he's still there in the 5th or 6th. Just because talking heads and internet GMs had him as a 5th or 6th round pick doesn't mean REAL GMs did. In that situation, you take the guy you want because there's no guarantee he'll be there later even if the interwebz says he should.

Klein: The is the pick I liked the least, but after mulling over it a bit I'm ok with it. LB depth was needed, and if this guy was a 3rd or 4th round guy like Gettleman/Rivera was saying then it was a good pick.

Barner: I didn't like this pick at first, but mostly because I was doing my "take Rambo" mantra as the pick was being announced. After thinking about it for a few minutes, and looking up his videos on youtube, he absolutely can be the scatback Ron has been craving since he got here. He only had 19 receptions, but every reception I saw was smooth and potentially gamebreaking. I see no reason he can't get more than that here. He looks like he has big hands for his size, caught with good fluidity, over the shoulder, etc. He also seemed to have very good vision and was good at following his blocks. He took it up the middle and weaved through tacklers better than you'd expect someone his size. He might not get tons of gametime to start out, but he won't be a redshirt... I'm guessing he gets at least 2-4 touches a game to start, more if he does big things with those starting touches.


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