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What did you see to support the claim our secondary improved over the course of last season?

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#41 BigBoss

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:38 AM

First Half
9 TDs
1969 yards
6 INTs
67.15 completion %

Second Half
13 TDs
1879 yards
5 INTs
66.67 completion %

That isn't much improvement. Could argue they got worse.

 

Please, don't bring hardcore evidence to this!

 

 

 

 

Generally though, I agree with everybody else. Now that our front seven is the best in the game, we only really need two ppl playing coverage. Because two rookie DT's will have no adjustment and Dwan will have the same season as his best year yet. Thomas, Greg, Charles, Luke will have equal seasons to what they had last year also. The front seven will be the answer to everything!!

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Just kidding not really. I do think we will have a great front 7 and we got some nice, needed dt's. but the problems on the back end will not magically disappear. We'll see if moore and Drayton are all that David wants them to be.
 



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:47 AM

In our division with all the fire power, our secondary is never going to have good stats on paper. At the end of the day, total defense is all that matters. Last year we couldn't close games out because of Nak and we couldn't stop the run. Stopping the run was much improved in the second half if the year solely bc of Davis and Kuechly.

this.

 

total defense is all that matters.

 

it got better. it got more used to the scheme. it will continue to get , esp. with the addition of star and short and the FAs brought in to help out the secondary. 



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

I'm telling you guys get ready to really like Mike Mitchell at SS. He will have a Marlon McCree type impact on this team.


A lot of the Huddle is looking past this signing.

It should be paid more attention since Gettlemania never seemed to think twice about the Rambo's or 5'9 Shamarko Thomas as they feel the Safties are good to go!

Mitchell at least has had success as a safety in the NFL that Nakamura never sniffed.


More importantly the Madden Ratings are much better with Mitchell lol..

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:26 AM

A lot of the Huddle is looking past this signing.

It should be paid more attention since Gettlemania never seemed to think twice about the Rambo's or 5'9 Shamarko Thomas as they feel the Safties are good to go!

Mitchell at least has had success as a safety in the NFL that Nakamura never sniffed.


More importantly the Madden Ratings are much better with Mitchell lol..

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:21 PM

I really feel that we are better there. We don't have a legitimate shutdown corner in Gamble anymore but we now have "playmakers".

I think thats an important part in a Rivera Defense. When you look back at his defenses in Chicago and SD, he never really had any shutdown corner but instead he had guys who can create turnovers. Athletic guys who can get INTs. I feel very comfortable with guys like DJ Moore and Florence added into the mix. With those guys in and a much improve DLine, I look to see more turnovers from the secondary.

 

Wow you're a homer. Let me know how Drayton Florence is a playmaker? Go back in time to this forum last fall and see how many people wanted Captain's head and how he and Norman couldn't cover squat. So all of a sudden this is rectified by some sort of poo magic? We do not have a starting quality corner on this team, and the safeties aren't much better. We may be able to stop the run now, but why run on this team when you can light them up all day? Just remember the last 2 mins of that Bears game last year and you will see that carry over this year. Here's to hoping we sign a veteran after June 1, a starting veteran.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:22 PM

And can someone post the time of possession statistics from the first 8 games and the last 8? B/c stats do lie. Our offense got better, therefore the D was on the field less. I'd be interested to see this.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:38 PM

Wow you're a homer. Let me know how Drayton Florence is a playmaker? Go back in time to this forum last fall and see how many people wanted Captain's head and how he and Norman couldn't cover squat. So all of a sudden this is rectified by some sort of poo magic? We do not have a starting quality corner on this team, and the safeties aren't much better. We may be able to stop the run now, but why run on this team when you can light them up all day? Just remember the last 2 mins of that Bears game last year and you will see that carry over this year. Here's to hoping we sign a veteran after June 1, a starting veteran.

Homer it is!

I rather have faith in my team who is taking the steps toward the right path than sitting behind the laptop and whine about the same crap over and over.

Go back and check the last 5-7 SB teams and name me one legitimate shutdown corner. You won't find one!

The secondary is a unit unlike a receiving corp that history have shown that you can get pass by it with a group by committee if you have a good front 7, which we do.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:41 PM

I'm telling you guys get ready to really like Mike Mitchell at SS. He will have a Marlon McCree type impact on this team.

 

i hope so.

 

i think we'll be ok at safety, esp with the addition of lester.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

end thread?
 
nah...who am i kidding. this will get  spun to show that it doesn't prove anything.


Who doesn't think that the passing defense had issues last year?? Using whole year stats does not prove that the secondary improved or not. Secondly as I said earlier, 4 of the touchdowns scored by New Orleans and Atlanta were in junk time when we were sitting on big leads and playing prevent. The purpose of the game is not to limit passing yards but to win the game by scoring more points which we did in the last several games. The guys I think really improved all played at the end of the year and improved from game to game. Dockery started 2 and Thomas started 4. So tell me how whole year stats are even remotely relevant.

Frankly that chart doesn't prove anything in regards to the discussion and anyone remotely aware of the season would know that.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

Wow you're a homer. Let me know how Drayton Florence is a playmaker? Go back in time to this forum last fall and see how many people wanted Captain's head and how he and Norman couldn't cover squat. So all of a sudden this is rectified by some sort of poo magic? We do not have a starting quality corner on this team, and the safeties aren't much better. We may be able to stop the run now, but why run on this team when you can light them up all day? Just remember the last 2 mins of that Bears game last year and you will see that carry over this year. Here's to hoping we sign a veteran after June 1, a starting veteran.


So you don't think that young players starting for the first time get better with time? How they were last year is how they will be forever?? I wonder if that applies to all positions? I wonder if Johnson and Hardy improved from year to year? Nah, they sucked just like they did year 1.


Amirite???



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