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What did you see to support the claim our secondary improved over the course of last season?

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#73 DaCityKats

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:15 PM

Who?

 

Tolbert, Smith, Poole, Blackburn, Senn, Houge, Williams. also lets not  act like RB and LB are not easy positions to fill.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:30 PM

Tolbert, Smith, Poole, Blackburn, Senn, Houge, Williams. also lets not act like RB and LB are not easy positions to fill.

They are easy positions to fill....in the draft. They are long term solutions that project to be more talented than any of those mentioned.

If they where fixes....Gettlemen wouldn't of had find fixes to the mess. Those would have been lower tier bandaids.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:57 PM

They are easy positions to fill....in the draft. They are long term solutions that project to be more talented than any of those mentioned.

If they where fixes....Gettlemen wouldn't of had find fixes to the mess. Those would have been lower tier bandaids.

 

lets not kid ourselves, they are easy fixes in the draft, FA, or any route to obtain players. he did decide to bring back 2 LBs, and brought Blackburn in. gave Tolbert the extra year on his deal.
 



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:00 PM

lets not kid ourselves, they are easy fixes in the draft, FA, or any route to obtain players. he did decide to bring back 2 LBs, and brought Blackburn in. gave Tolbert the extra year on his deal.
 

 

Tolbert is a FB not a scat Back. Which Rivera has been asking for.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:25 PM

lets not kid ourselves, they are easy fixes in the draft, FA, or any route to obtain players. he did decide to bring back 2 LBs, and brought Blackburn in. gave Tolbert the extra year on his deal.

Blackburn is a vet bandaid. Not a fix. Tolbert isn't the homerun RB.

Vet FAs are short term fixes. The good ones are dang expensive. We don't even dabble with the good ones.

Tolbert got the extra year likely to do what he began last year....he started taking Cam's goaline work.

Gettlemen didn't just randomly draft a RB and LB as BPA. He knows 2014 is the start of fixing the mess and making real progress.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:04 AM

The 4th post I compared the first half of the season to the second. Didn't need to read far to see I was talking about just last season.

 

Anyway, you say they forced opponents into passing downs and put more DBs on the field. Yet the opponent was still getting yards, putting up points, and completing a high percentage of passing. How is that improvement?
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The opponent was getting less yards, putting up less points, and completing less passes. All three of your criteria were improved upon. Is that not the definition of improvement?

 

You have refuted every attempted explanation at seeing improvement. So I would expect you to dismiss this one as well.

 

There is no way to prove this statement to your satisfaction.

 



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:12 AM

Understandable, I agree about stats which is why I'm curious what other people use to support saying the secondary got better.

 

That's fine, I wasn't looking for specific plays or anything. This is what I was asking for. I was curious whether people were using some stat, or just what they saw or something else and you provided that so thanks.

 

 

Ok so you feel the coverage was better and the yardage/TDs came from late prevent/zone defense. Thanks, I appreciate the answer.

 

 

 

 

You really should just stop. There are two of my posts where I thanked the person for explaining why they feel the secondary improved. To say I have refuted every attempt is just stupid and false.

 

Depending on which stretch of games you want to look at the passing yards and completion percentage may have went up or down. However, at no point in the season did the opponent put up more passing TDs than they did at the end. So no all three criteria were not met.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:42 AM

Tolbert is a FB not a scat Back. Which Rivera has been asking for.

 

Tolbert is listed as a FB, he is not a FB. he also plays the role of a scat back since he is one of the best  catching the ball out of the backfield. Armond Smith could have been an effective scat back who was already on the roster.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:44 AM

Tolbert is listed as a FB, he is not a FB. he also plays the role of a scat back since he is one of the best  catching the ball out of the backfield. Armond Smith could have been an effective scat back who was already on the roster.

 

 

Yes Tolbert caught passes out of the backfield.  But, do you EVEN know what the definition of a scat back is?  By calling Tolbert on (he is FAR from it), you apparently don't.

 

Tolbert = bowling ball

 

Scat Back = small, quick, shifty change of pace back

 

Tolbert =/= Scat Back



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:50 AM

Yes Tolbert caught passes out of the backfield.  But, do you EVEN know what the definition of a scat back is?  By calling Tolbert on (he is FAR from it), you apparently don't.

 

Tolbert = bowling ball

 

Scat Back = small, quick, shifty change of pace back

 

Tolbert =/= Scat Back

 

i said he played the role of a scat back, so let me ask you what types of plays do scat backs run? i never said he was the scat back,he was used as one. he was the best RB on the team catching the ball, with HR ability even with his size.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:51 AM

Naka not starting!



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:18 AM

 

Depending on which stretch of games you want to look at the passing yards and completion percentage may have went up or down. However, at no point in the season did the opponent put up more passing TDs than they did at the end. So no all three criteria were not met.

 

 

I already explained why many of those TDs at the end were meaningless.  We had big leads against Atlanta and New Orleans in the second half and played more prevent.  The important thing was winning the game not seeing how few passing yards or passing TDs we could hold them to.  I think Rivera has to instill a killer instinct and shut teams down in the 4th quarter though to avoid late losses.  But the DBs and safeties were doing their job.