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Kentucky Shooting: Boy, 5, Shoots And Kills 2-Year-Old Sister, Police Say

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I enjoy the non sequitrs the conservatives on this board engage in after their "facts" are shown to be a load of garbage.

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keep flailing i mean trying everyone here seems to know exactly what I am talking about, that there is no serious effort by any group of any importance to "ban all guns", mostly because it's an impossible idea. Might as well ban all chickens or ban all waffles.

Not to mention the fact that I sincerely doubt the military would be that interested in it.

The "ban all guns crowd" exists only in the minds of the people who need justification to ignore the public will, statistics and common sense.

All you have to do is look at Canada or Australia, two nations with similar moral, cultural and religious likes and dislikes as us, and ask yourself, are they no longer "free"? Are they unable to find happiness? Should they rise up and fight their government for not letting them have whatever guns they want whenever they want?

This is exactly what I mean by moving goal posts. First you said no one wants to ban guns. When I showed otherwise, it wasn't enough. Now, somehow, you're talking about "groups of any importance" and the feasibility of doing so.

I don't know what Canada and Australia have to do with anything, but hey its me flailing.

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I enjoy the non sequitrs the conservatives on this board engage in after their "facts" are shown to be a load of garbage.

What facts were shown to be garbage? Hell you didn't even look at the links I posted. You thought they were from ultra-conservative news sources when they were actually leftist bloggers.

And who showed them to be garbage? PhillyB's reading comprehension was off and he left the thread after I pointed it out. CWG can't keep the same argument for two posts in a row. And you've added the following to the thread:

(crickets chirping)

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 First you said no one wants to ban guns.

 

 

 

You are nothing but a lying liar.

 

A. I never, ever said "no one wants to ban guns", I've mentioned that there are zero groups of any importance whatsoever trying to do this, and I used the term groups.

 

B. First I said:

thank you, children, for sacrificing your lives to protect our Second Amendment. You are Patriots, and I think we should put your faces on a race car to prove it.

 

You are, again, a lying liar. Who lies.

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Your inability to quote notwithstanding, how exactly are you going to solve the dumbass idea that "children are sacrificing their lives for the second amendment" without an outright ban on guns? Unless you're completely oblivious to real life, accidents happen even to the most careful people.

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sure they do, but that's why tighter rules and regulations can be important.

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Yes I hate the new quote GUI, you have me there.

 

Accidents happen to the most careful people.

 

This kind of accident does not happen to the most careful people. A little kid got access to a loaded weapon.

 

To reduce the risk of this, you require gun insurance that requires that you agree to keep your weapon locked up, unloaded, etc. If a child is found to have access to a weapon, loaded or unloaded, it's a crime and the owner goes to jail or loses their ability to legally own a gun.

 

No it won't stop this from happening. But it will reduce the chances of it happening. As people around here are fond of saying, criminals break the law and law abiding gun owners do not, so if it's a law they will tend to abide by it, right? So this lessens the chances of this happening.

 

And this is all the right headed people in the US want, to make things safer and reduce the amount of times things like this happen. I'm getting a bit tired of the semantic absolutism around here.

 

 

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as an addendum I'm not sure which of the "common sense" solutions often talked about would have actually prevented this, though.  It's just an irresponsible parent.

 

...Maybe charging the parent with manslaughter since they're the gun owner?  I dunno.  I think that you could prevent a lot of this stuff with the right kind of regulation of ownership and the right kind of responsibility for anything done with the weapon, though.

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Your inability to quote notwithstanding, how exactly are you going to solve the dumbass idea that "children are sacrificing their lives for the second amendment" without an outright ban on guns? Unless you're completely oblivious to real life, accidents happen even to the most careful people.

 

That was sarcasm, not problem solving.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/kentucky-accidential-shooting/index.html

 

 

But since you bring it up, it's this nutty "gun culture" itself that caused this - some overzealous dad wanting to get his little kid into guns at a young age:

 

The Crickett website features three .22-caliber rifle models for kids, with shoulder stock colors ranging from pink to red, white and blue swirls. "My first rifle" is the company's slogan.

Family members Wednesday described the shooting as an accident.

"He just picked (the gun) up before he realized it," grandmother Linda Riddle told WLEX.

Riddle said her granddaughter enjoyed singing and playing outdoors, and she loved her brother.

"It's just tragic," uncle David Mann told the CNN affiliate. "It's something that you can't prepare for."

Riddle said she is devastated, but comforted knowing that her granddaughter is in a better place.

"It was God's will. It was her time to go, I guess," she told WLEX. "I just know she's in heaven right now and I know she's in good hands with the Lord."

Caroline Sparks' death comes after two other incidents in recent months involving young children shooting others. In early April, a 4-year-old boy in Tennessee shot and killed a 48-year-old woman, and just days later, 6-year-old Brandon Holt was killed in New Jersey after being shot in the head by his 4-year-old playmate.

 

But they come in fun to shoot colors!

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Yes I hate the new quote GUI, you have me there.

 

Accidents happen to the most careful people.

 

This kind of accident does not happen to the most careful people. A little kid got access to a loaded weapon.

 

To reduce the risk of this, you require gun insurance that requires that you agree to keep your weapon locked up, unloaded, etc. If a child is found to have access to a weapon, loaded or unloaded, it's a crime and the owner goes to jail or loses their ability to legally own a gun.

 

No it won't stop this from happening. But it will reduce the chances of it happening. As people around here are fond of saying, criminals break the law and law abiding gun owners do not, so if it's a law they will tend to abide by it, right? So this lessens the chances of this happening.

 

And this is all the right headed people in the US want, to make things safer and reduce the amount of times things like this happen. I'm getting a bit tired of the semantic absolutism around here.

I'm not being an absolutist, I hate that, and as I've stated I have no problem with common sense measures (training, insurance requirements, background checks, etc.) But my point is that nothing you pass re guns is going to stop simple accidents.

I disagree about the "gun nut culture" you reference. Shooting is a legitimate passtime just as golfing, fishing or insert sport/hobby is. Just because you don't do it doesnt make it nutty.

Obviously people can take anything too far, and I agree that giving a 5 yo a rifle is stupid, esp if you allow them unsupervised access to it.

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Yeah I read about little kids getting golf clubbed to death all the time.

 

I used to shoot. I used to teach shooting. In the military. One day someone put a steel belted radial out at the far end of the range and a bullet came back and nicked a guys ear. Luckily the chief was out teaching that day and not me. I would get to shoot off any extra rounds so we didn't have to return them to the ammo dump, so I'd shoot .45, 12 ga shotgun and M14 @ 2 times a week.

 

Shooting as a passtime, great, but not for 5 year olds. That IS nutty and you can't spin it any other way.

 

I already said that these ideas aren't going to stop all accidents. It can help stop some accidents. Just like background checks are not going to stop all the people that should not own guns from owning them. Everyone here seems well aware of these simple truths, but they are so simple, so common sense, so rational, that the only way to argue against them is to tie them to another conspiracy theory.

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Want to shoot? There's something called a shooting range.

Most people would never dream of hitting a golf ball with a driver in their backyard in a populated area, yet yahoos have no issue shooting at targets at trees on their acre and a half lot.

Personally, growing up in the country and seeing how poorly the general populace handles their guns, I'm amazed there aren't more accidental shootings than there are.

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