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Kentucky Shooting: Boy, 5, Shoots And Kills 2-Year-Old Sister, Police Say


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#25 Delhommey

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:12 PM

Discussion like the kind of discussion we've gotten when I posted all the daily instances of children dying due to accidents with guns? Cause I must have missed your White Knighting then

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:28 PM

It's not that I think that it's a "no one caring" thing...

I think people care... but also care more about their own agenda... on both sides.

Consider me guilty, if by "agenda" you mean, wanting to reduce the number of senseless deaths due to unsecured firearms falling into the hands of children, via their clueless parents.   Having an "agenda" isn't necessarily a bad thing, unless it's the NRA's "agenda", protecting the status quo and by default assisting even more children to kill each other.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:32 PM

What the hell is there to discuss? The pros vs. cons of 5 year olds shooting 2 year olds? Why this is a necessary evil? How this is caused by not enforcing the laws we already have or some other stupidity?

 

Two or three years ago I was completely non opinionated on all this because I truly saw all the positives and negatives, but the behavior of the gun nut crowd has turned me farther and farther away from their views, because they are not based on reality or the benefit of our nation. They are based on maintaining their hobby using any means to do so. It's become pretty disgusting to see.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

Consider me guilty, if by "agenda" you mean, wanting to reduce the number of senseless deaths due to unsecured firearms falling into the hands of children, via their clueless parents.   Having an "agenda" isn't necessarily a bad thing, unless it's the NRA's "agenda", protecting the status quo and by default assisting even more children to kill each other.


Having an agenda is fine... not a problem in the world. You were having intelligent adult discussion... the others... not so much.


Responding to Delhommey's trolling is not necessary... I even agree with some of the things he says on this issue... but there's no discussing it with him because unless you agree with his entire position, you're a complete idiot.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:35 PM

Two or three years ago I was completely non opinionated on all this because I truly saw all the positives and negatives, but the behavior of the gun nut crowd has turned me farther and farther away from their views, because they are not based on reality or the benefit of our nation. They are based on maintaining their hobby using any means to do so. It's become pretty disgusting to see.


This is what I mean... CWG is treading into Delhommey territory.

Everyone that doesn't agree with their position on this is "gun nut".

I think a lot of the regulations and controls that are being proposed are quite acceptable and legitimate... but Delhommey has called me that very thing...

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:52 PM

tbqh I don't recall people going all Charlton Heston in the Tinderbox until someone throws out some smarmy remark about "gun nuts" or "rednecks" or "patriots" or wtf ever you want to use to describe people who own guns. OWN guns, not sleep beside them at night and build altars of sacrifice for and all that jazz that you want them to be.

I've even gone so far as to try and distance my statements and views on gun issues from people here who are a little too oversensitive and vocal about being pro-gun. But let's be serious. Most people anti-gun here are anti-gun to the point where they lump most gun owners under one umbrella and don't want to hear about anything else.

 

It's almost like a Tupac situation. "Instead of war on poverty, they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me."

 

I see "gun problems" as a bigger "people problems" thing. We have a large amount of social and economical imbalance in this country that leads to imbalances in other trickle-down areas like education and mental health. People, especially us Americans, are generally self-serving, somewhat irresponsible, convenience-seeking creatures.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

What the hell is there to discuss? The pros vs. cons of 5 year olds shooting 2 year olds? Why this is a necessary evil? How this is caused by not enforcing the laws we already have or some other stupidity?

 

Two or three years ago I was completely non opinionated on all this because I truly saw all the positives and negatives, but the behavior of the gun nut crowd has turned me farther and farther away from their views, because they are not based on reality or the benefit of our nation. They are based on maintaining their hobby using any means to do so. It's become pretty disgusting to see.

 

this is kind of where i stand. i've been pretty ambivalent on this issue for quite some time, but the scope of the gun crowd's standpoint has shifted to a hysteria that equates to an insistence that the 2nd amendment means that any given citizen should have the capacity to stave off the u.s. military.

 

interestingly these same people tend to worship the military, so i guess they just don't realize that the people they claim to be defending against are the people who they sell raffle tickets for and memorialize with sentimental facebook graphics and yellow ribbon magnets



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:18 PM

This is what I mean... CWG is treading into Delhommey territory.

Everyone that doesn't agree with their position on this is "gun nut".

I think a lot of the regulations and controls that are being proposed are quite acceptable and legitimate... but Delhommey has called me that very thing...

 

I knew you would take that bait. But I will stand by it, because I never said the words you just put in my mouth.

 

Your position on the regulations and controls are the same as mine. You are not suggesting that they are unconstitutional, or will lead to some slippery slope in where Obama grabs your guns.

 

That person is a gun nut. A person who rejects common sense legislation so they can keep tons of giant weapons for the sole reason of "they are fun" is a gun nut.

 

All I am doing is aggressively pointing out the stupidity of the argument against these things.



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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:26 PM

 
 

I knew you would take that bait. But I will stand by it, because I never said the words you just put in my mouth.
 
Your position on the regulations and controls are the same as mine. You are not suggesting that they are unconstitutional, or will lead to some slippery slope in where Obama grabs your guns.
 
That person is a gun nut. A person who rejects common sense legislation so they can keep tons of giant weapons for the sole reason of "they are fun" is a gun nut.
 
All I am doing is aggressively pointing out the stupidity of the argument against these things.


Thanks for proving my point for me by admitting that I "took the bait" to your trolling and saying that you're not looking for real discussion.


I didn't say that you were calling me specifically a "gun nut" but when you say...

but the behavior of the gun nut crowd


You're treading into delhommey territory just like I said. No one in this thread has said any of those things, yet out comes the "gun nut" defense.


I'm not saying there aren't gun nuts out there... there are... there's plenty of people that are not willing to discuss any kind of gun regulations at all. I'm not one of them and I think that they are wrong... just as wrong as the "ban all guns at all costs" crowd.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:53 PM

Can I point out so far you're pretty well mayor of the Mr Scott territory right now?

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:57 PM

Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:15 PM

Where is this "ban all guns at all costs " crowd?. To my knowledge it consists of one out of context Nancy Pelosi quote.