La Pantera 1,146 Report post Posted May 3, 2013 This is like saying we are the coolest kid on the short bus. You should know all about that... Where did our D rank last year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CRA 14,142 Report post Posted May 3, 2013 You should know all about that... Where did our D rank last year? 18th in points per game.... Yardage IMO is bogus to only acknowledge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera 3,584 Report post Posted May 3, 2013 18th in points per game.... Yardage IMO is bogus to only acknowledge. So is using points. pick sixes, safeties, special teams, short field after a turnover, etc case in point: our defense outscored our offense last season against Seattle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CRA 14,142 Report post Posted May 3, 2013 So is using points. pick sixes, safeties, special teams, short field after a turnover, etc case in point: our defense outscored our offense last season against Seattle That is why you have to you use the collective information.... I don't consider what we had a top 10 D. Top 10 Ds don't lose games repeatedly that are essentially "gimmes" for them to make some basic plays to win. Doesn't pass the the ole eye test Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panthers04100 302 Report post Posted May 4, 2013 I would say this team is similar to our 2003 Super Bowl team the only huge difference being the wr's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera 3,584 Report post Posted May 4, 2013 I would say this team is similar to our 2003 Super Bowl team the only huge difference being the wr's if this team can finish games half as good as the 2003 team, we'd be looking at 13-3 (assuming we continue to dominate for 58.5 minutes of most games) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KillerKat 13,077 Report post Posted May 4, 2013 what a terrible comparison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamhubby1 3,653 Report post Posted May 5, 2013 That is why you have to you use the collective information.... I don't consider what we had a top 10 D. Top 10 Ds don't lose games repeatedly that are essentially "gimmes" for them to make some basic plays to win. Doesn't pass the the ole eye test / / / / / / / What exactly is this collective information you speak of? Stats and film are just about it. Stats are a tool. (Ask Billy Ball) Used properly, they can assist you. Just because you have a point of view that stats can disprove. Does not automatically discount those stats. You have built in disclaimers all over the place. This, no use stats, is just another. You always seem to go a little over the top when you try to make a point. "Gimmies"? I can't understand the negativity? Most teams have a hard time stopping Offenses these days. Why is it so damming when we do it? We did it better, for the most part, than half the league. To hear you, it is down right disastrously bad. And? You get to use the ol' eye test for validation? If you call, eye test, I call, stats. Your turn. Fear of the past should not cloud your view of the Future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CRA 14,142 Report post Posted May 5, 2013 Um, stats and games ARE part of it all. Top 10 defensive units generally don't allow opponents to have the best completion percentage against them in all the NFL. They generally aren't in the bottom half in points against, and they don't allow what occured to them against Atl, Tampa, etc. So again, claiming they were a top 10 D just bc of yardage....is incomplete and I still don't get why people use that (including the NFL) as the ranking for a D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamhubby1 3,653 Report post Posted May 5, 2013 Um, stats and games ARE part of it all. Top 10 defensive units generally don't allow opponents to have the best completion percentage against them in all the NFL. They generally aren't in the bottom half in points against, and they don't allow what occured to them against Atl, Tampa, etc. So again, claiming they were a top 10 D just bc of yardage....is incomplete and I still don't get why people use that (including the NFL) as the ranking for a D. / / / / / / / So you are going to use stats like Comp% and points against, to enhance your point? Is that really fair? Dismissing stats in one post, then using them in the next. We played a poo ton of teams that toss the ball around. That is going to skew your Comp% argument. We mostly played a soft zone designed to keep plays in front of you. Comp% is higher than normal in this circumstance. We played well enough to win. Isn't that the ultimate stat? Wins! I like how you make 18th in the league in points against sound like they were bottom of the line. We were 25 points higher than the #13 team. Then we would have been in the top half of the league. Yardage against is a good measure. It allows you to see where teams are beating you. Can you stop the run? How are you against the pass? How close are you to teams that do those things well? Lots of good reasons to use yards against. You are stuck in the past, worrying and fretting over a D that wasn't as bad as you want to think it was. How our D played last year is no precursor to how they will play this year. A lot of folks are excited to see what we have. Come on and join us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CRA 14,142 Report post Posted May 5, 2013 I dismiss using ONE stat....and only that. it would would be like claiming the best passing offense is the one who has the most passing yards.....ignoring that perhaps they had significantly more interceptions than touchdowns in the air. Need more than 1 stat. On an unrelated note, it is hard to respond to you when you quote like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
