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Human Nature.

Not just the poor that will scam a system, heck doctors are scamming and have been arrested by claiming Medicare stuff not owed to them.

You open a wide enough hole and countless folks at all levels will take advantage of it.

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so do we or do we not have a problem with both disability and food stamp fraud in the US?

 

and i have a host of anceodtal that some just bristle at because it usually goes against the "data" they get.

 

in my industry i see 3 levels of fraud. food stamps, disability and getting govt assistance for mortgages. its pretty pervasive.

 

but its hearsay. what do i know.

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what is the official hard data on the amount of fraud with food stamps or at least the % of those on it. maybe per state.

 

 

 

Here is a recent study by the non-partisan Center on Budget and Policy priorities:

 

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3239

 

 

SNAP has one of the most rigorous payment error measurement systems of any public benefit program.  Each year states pull a representative sample (totaling about 50,000 cases nationally) and thoroughly review the accuracy of their eligibility and benefit decisions.  Federal officials re-review a subsample of the cases to ensure accuracy in the error rates.  States are subject to fiscal penalties if their error rates are persistently higher than the national average.

 

Despite the recent rapid caseload growth, USDA reports that states achieved a record-low SNAP error rate in fiscal year 2011.  (See Figure 4.)  Only 3 percent of all SNAP benefits represented overpayments, meaning they either went to ineligible households or went to eligible households but in excessive amounts, and more than 98 percent of SNAP benefits were issued to eligible households.

 

In addition, the combined error rate — that is, the sum of overpayments and underpayments (see box, “Combined Error Rate Does Not Represent Excessive Federal Spending or Fraud, p. 9) reached an all-time low in 2011 of just 3.8 percent.  Prior to enactment of major reforms in the 2002 Farm Bill, states with combined error rates below 6 percent qualified for a bonus payment or enhanced funding in recognition of their exemplary performance; for eight years running the national error rate has exceeded this standard.

 

In comparison, the Internal Revenue Service estimates a tax noncompliance rate of 16.9 percent in 2006 (the most recently studied year).  This represents a $450 billion loss to the federal government in one year.  Underreporting of business income alone cost the federal government $122 billion in 2006, and small businesses report less than half of their income

 

 

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Relatively few SNAP errors represent dishonesty or fraud by recipi­ents. The overwhelming majority result from honest mistakes by recipients, eligibil­ity wor­kers, data entry clerks, or com­puter program­mers.  In recent years, states have reported that about 60 percent of the dollar value of overpay­ments and almost 90 percent of the dollar value of underpayments were their fault, rather than recipients’ fault.  Much of the rest of overpayments resulted from innocent errors by households facing a program with complex rules.

 

 

 

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Y'all argue about nickels while the wealthy clear out the bank vault.

Around $20 trillion sits untouched in offshore tax shelters and you want me to get mad about food stamp fraud?

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teeray with his fancy data and figures, manipulating the discussion away from real people with real stories of real abuse!

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Y'all argue about nickels while the wealthy clear out the bank vault.

Around $20 trillion sits untouched in offshore tax shelters and you want me to get mad about food stamp fraud?

 

How dare you....they earned every bit of that $20 Trillion through bootstrapping and not being lazy

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so we are good then? no bad fraud or abuse and we just need to figure out what the real unemployment is.

 

awesome

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figure 3 is a big assumption on the CBO's part. i mean ideally yes, you do hope the # of participants go down.

 

the # of those getting on food stamps have increased and trend that way. if unemployment and esp long term unemployment doesn't get better than expect that # to only go up.

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figure 3 is a big assumption on the CBO's part. i mean ideally yes, you do hope the # of participants go down.

 

the # of those getting on food stamps have increased and trend that way. if unemployment and esp long term unemployment doesn't get better than expect that # to only go up.

 

It isn't an assumption it is a projection based on economic forecasts derived from several points of data and historical context.

 

But that is just semantics because you are correct in your second paragraph that if unemployment and long term unemployment doesn't continue to get better it will stay on its current path.

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