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16-Year-Old Florida Honor Student Charged With Two Felonies For Doing A Science Experiment

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As I said, I fully expect the charges to be dropped and her to be allowed back to school after serving a suspension.

 

But, that being said.....there are rules that are to be followed (even if you don't like them).  If you would have asked any parent what would happen if a student did what she did, most would tell you that the person would be expelled....even if they thought the punishment would be too harsh.

 

If the school takes a stance that she is not allowed back in and the DA presses charges, then that is going to far.

Whats the point of charging people with crimes and kicking people out of school if you dont plan on following through with either one?

I thought you said not following through with the punishment is teaching the wrong lesson?

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The problem with expulsions and felonies for this type of stuff is you lose several aspects of the law.

 

Sentences should fit the crime.

Sentences should take into account intent.

Sentences should take into account prior history.

There should be positive aspects of sentencing and discretion in sentencing can be a good thing.

Finally you simply don't want a good student like this out of the classroom and in the legal system. Blacks are 2x as likely to end up in the legal system than whites in Florida. Depending on the sentencing her life could be ruined.

 

http://www.iamforkids.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Promise-5-Reports.pdf

 

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The problem with expulsions and felonies for this type of stuff is you lose several aspects of the law.

 

Sentences should fit the crime.

Sentences should take into account intent.

Sentences should take into account prior history.

There should be positive aspects of sentencing and discretion in sentencing can be a good thing.

Finally you simply don't want a good student like this out of the classroom and in the legal system. Blacks are 2x as likely to end up in the legal system than whites in Florida. Depending on the sentencing her life could be ruined.

 

http://www.iamforkids.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Promise-5-Reports.pdf

 

And you brough up race in this discussion for what reason?

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Whats the point of charging people with crimes and kicking people out of school if you dont plan on following through with either one?

I thought you said not following through with the punishment is teaching the wrong lesson?

 

I am not saying that I think she should have been arrested based on the situation.  Suspension/expulsion for the remainder of the school year is more fitting.

 

However, the rules and polices of the school are very specific when it comes to weapons, explosives, etc on campus.

 

Don't like the rule, then lobby the legislature.

 

But, break the rule and you have to deal with the punishment.....that is the way the world works.

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And you brough up race in this discussion for what reason?

 

Because zero tolerance laws (despite being "zero tolerance")have been shown to be enforced against blacks more often than non-minorities. There is a clear classroom to jail pipeline that is reserved for blacks. And when you get in it becomes difficult to get out.

 

We certainly don't need this girl in the criminal justice system.

 

Unfortunately based on similar cases that friends have been in, her family will spend a bunch of money getting this reduced to a misdemeanor but the expulsion will be upheld.

 

There is no benefit for that.

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Because zero tolerance laws (despite being "zero tolerance")have been shown to be enforced against blacks more often than non-minorities. There is a clear classroom to jail pipeline that is reserved for blacks. And when you get in it becomes difficult to get out.

 

We certainly don't need this girl in the criminal justice system.

 

Unfortunately based on similar cases that friends have been in, her family will spend a bunch of money getting this reduced to a misdemeanor but the expulsion will be upheld.

 

There is no benefit for that.

 

So now Zero Tolerance laws in school are a race thing....gotcha.

 

Nice that some things never change in the TB.

 

Stupid law with too strict of consequences....maybe.

 

Racially motivated in any way....not even close.

 

The school policies are very clear.....immediate expulsion for any student with an explosive device on campus that was not part of a school activity.  This is what she did, and this is exactly the punishment that she got.

 

Would you have made your post if the picture of the girl had been white?  I doubt it.

 

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So now Zero Tolerance laws in school are a race thing....gotcha.

 

 

 

There are are dozens of studies that show this to be true. Google it.

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So now Zero Tolerance laws in school are a race thing....gotcha.

 

Nice that some things never change in the TB.

No, but they are a stupid thing. You literally think the same punishment is appropriate, you just think that because this retarded rule is in place that we should throw common sense out the window just to make sure we follow the exact letter of the law.

If the rule is wrong, change it. Dont just be an asshole to everyone by rigidly enforcing it.

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No the rule should not be thrown out.

 

Explosives at school should be a one way ticket to the magistrates office and a permanent expulsion.

 

I dont give a damn how "harmless" the bomb was.  There should never be a scale for determining when it is and when it isn't ok for a student to construct and detonate a bomb at school.

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No the rule should not be thrown out.

 

Explosives at school should be a one way ticket to the magistrates office and a permanent expulsion.

 

I dont give a damn how "harmless" the bomb was.  There should never be a scale for determining when it is and when it isn't ok for a student to construct and detonate a bomb at school.

A match meets all the definitions of a small bomb

Many things done in a chemistry class could be construed that way

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A match meets all the definitions of a small bomb

Many things done in a chemistry class could be construed that way

 

If they are "done in a chemistry class" they are not part of the policy.

 

The rule was very specific and the punishment for breaking it was very specific.

 

She is not a child.  Our teenagers need to learn that there are real consequences to their actions.  That rules are not there just to take up space on a piece of paper.

 

This is something that I think too many of today's generation don't get.  They think that if they believe it is a stupd rule, they should not have to comply with it.

 

As I said....lobby the school boards to change the rule.  But, don't expect to not be punished exactly like the policy says if you don't adhere to it.

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I dont give a damn how "harmless" the bomb was.  There should never be a scale for determining when it is and when it isn't ok for a student to construct and detonate a bomb at school.

 

It wasn't techinically a bomb. Bombs are weapons and usually don't include compressed gas reactions. Read the definitions.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb

 

Bombs are weapons which can cause significant damage. Bombs require intent to injure. Bombs require explosive material.

 

The administration had to do some mental gymnastics to think this was anything close to a bomb in a layman's sense. This was a bomb as much as popping a paper bag is a bomb.

 

Which shows an overeager need to punish students. That didn't used to be a pricipal's job.

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