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16-Year-Old Florida Honor Student Charged With Two Felonies For Doing A Science Experiment


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#16 thatlookseasy

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:50 AM

Not a science fair.....not preparing for a science fair....not under teacher supervision in the chemistry lab.

Correct
 

This girl basically built a small bomb and set it off in the school courtyard.

Incorrect

 

Someone could have gotten seriously injured....she got what she deserved.

Incorrect...and also incorrect

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:22 AM

Not a science fair.....not preparing for a science fair....not under teacher supervision in the chemistry lab.

This girl basically built a small bomb and set it off in the school courtyard.

Someone could have gotten seriously injured....she got what she deserved.


lol
This "bomb" is roughly as dangerous as a balloon that is being popped. air trapped inside escapes. Please explain your stance that someone could have been seriously injured.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:14 PM

Correct
 
Incorrect

 
Incorrect...and also incorrect

 

It was still an explosive device.  Bet she should would have been expelled if she had set off firecrackers on campus too.

 

She knew what she was doing was agaisnt school policy.  Don't adhere to the rules, suffer the punishment.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:16 PM

lol
This "bomb" is roughly as dangerous as a balloon that is being popped. air trapped inside escapes. Please explain your stance that someone could have been seriously injured.

 

Drain cleaner chemicals being exploded into the air.

 

You may not see this as a big deal.  But, the schools have very strict rules on bringing chemicals and making an explosive device (and yes thisis an explosive device) on campus.

 

She knew the rules and broke them....don't feel sorry for her. 

 

Personal accountability....oh wait, that is something that most on here don't understand or believe in.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:31 PM

Drain cleaner chemicals being exploded into the air.
 
You may not see this as a big deal.  But, the schools have very strict rules on bringing chemicals and making an explosive device (and yes thisis an explosive device) on campus.
 
She knew the rules and broke them....don't feel sorry for her. 
 
Personal accountability....oh wait, that is something that most on here don't understand or believe in.


No, you just like adhering to needlessly strict and unyielding bureaucracy.

This was a science experiment, done by the student without supervision or permission after school hours. To equate this to bringing a bomb to school is wrong, and to think that kicking this girl out of school is the correct move is stupid.

How are you teaching this girl a lesson by kicking her out of school? These are fuging kids, they make mistakes. You think its better to ruin a kids life based on principle rather than show no leniency to a 16 year old kid with good grades and a spotless record?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:33 PM

No, you just like adhering to needlessly strict and unyielding bureaucracy.

This was a science experiment, done by the student without supervision or permission after school hours. To equate this to bringing a bomb to school is wrong, and to think that kicking this girl out of school is the correct move is stupid.

How are you teaching this girl a lesson by kicking her out of school? These are fuging kids, they make mistakes. You think its better to ruin a kids life based on principle rather than show no leniency to a 16 year old kid with good grades and a spotless record?

There was no science fair....nor was she preparing for one.

 

She thought it was cool and was showing other kids how to do it.

 

She knew it was wrong and got smacked.

 

The charges will be dropped, but she will remember that rules and laws are there for a reason....they are to be followed or you suffer the punishment.

 

Something that most of you degenerates don't comprehend.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

There was no science fair....nor was she preparing for one.
 
She thought it was cool and was showing other kids how to do it.
 
She knew it was wrong and got smacked.
 
The charges will be dropped, but she will remember that rules and laws are there for a reason....they are to be followed or you suffer the punishment.
 
Something that most of you degenerates don't comprehend.


Oh, how nice, you insult anyone who disagrees with you. Congrats, you have the mentality of an 8 year old

Obviously you punish the kid. Suspend her from school a couple days, maybe call in the cops and talk about how serious this is. But you dont kick her out of school and have her arrested. Shes 16 and was showing her friends a cool science experiment, not trying to blow up the fuging school

Have you ever been around kids? They make mistakes, you cant freak the fug out if they make one mistake. This girl is not a problem child in that school, this girl is not the reason that rule was written in the first place. Hold her to these needlessly strict standards helps no one and only serves to ruin her life.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:54 PM

In this day and age, in this country, ANYONE who builds a device that can be categorized and an explosive device and then detonates it on the grounds of a public school and doesn't expect to be punished severely is probably better off in the care of the penal system.

 

 

Honor student you say?  Straight As you say?  Bright future you say?

 

 

pppffffffttttttt.....

 

 

More like certifiable idiot.



#24 MadHatter

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

Oh, how nice, you insult anyone who disagrees with you. Congrats, you have the mentality of an 8 year old

Obviously you punish the kid. Suspend her from school a couple days, maybe call in the cops and talk about how serious this is. But you dont kick her out of school and have her arrested. Shes 16 and was showing her friends a cool science experiment, not trying to blow up the fuging school

Have you ever been around kids? They make mistakes, you cant freak the fug out if they make one mistake. This girl is not a problem child in that school, this girl is not the reason that rule was written in the first place. Hold her to these needlessly strict standards helps no one and only serves to ruin her life.

 

As I said, I fully expect the charges to be dropped and her to be allowed back to school after serving a suspension.

 

But, that being said.....there are rules that are to be followed (even if you don't like them).  If you would have asked any parent what would happen if a student did what she did, most would tell you that the person would be expelled....even if they thought the punishment would be too harsh.

 

If the school takes a stance that she is not allowed back in and the DA presses charges, then that is going to far.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

As I said, I fully expect the charges to be dropped and her to be allowed back to school after serving a suspension.
 
But, that being said.....there are rules that are to be followed (even if you don't like them).  If you would have asked any parent what would happen if a student did what she did, most would tell you that the person would be expelled....even if they thought the punishment would be too harsh.
 
If the school takes a stance that she is not allowed back in and the DA presses charges, then that is going to far.


Whats the point of charging people with crimes and kicking people out of school if you dont plan on following through with either one?

I thought you said not following through with the punishment is teaching the wrong lesson?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

The problem with expulsions and felonies for this type of stuff is you lose several aspects of the law.

 

Sentences should fit the crime.

Sentences should take into account intent.

Sentences should take into account prior history.

There should be positive aspects of sentencing and discretion in sentencing can be a good thing.

Finally you simply don't want a good student like this out of the classroom and in the legal system. Blacks are 2x as likely to end up in the legal system than whites in Florida. Depending on the sentencing her life could be ruined.

 

http://www.iamforkid...e-5-Reports.pdf

 



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:16 PM

The problem with expulsions and felonies for this type of stuff is you lose several aspects of the law.

 

Sentences should fit the crime.

Sentences should take into account intent.

Sentences should take into account prior history.

There should be positive aspects of sentencing and discretion in sentencing can be a good thing.

Finally you simply don't want a good student like this out of the classroom and in the legal system. Blacks are 2x as likely to end up in the legal system than whites in Florida. Depending on the sentencing her life could be ruined.

 

http://www.iamforkid...e-5-Reports.pdf

 

And you brough up race in this discussion for what reason?



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:17 PM

Whats the point of charging people with crimes and kicking people out of school if you dont plan on following through with either one?

I thought you said not following through with the punishment is teaching the wrong lesson?

 

I am not saying that I think she should have been arrested based on the situation.  Suspension/expulsion for the remainder of the school year is more fitting.

 

However, the rules and polices of the school are very specific when it comes to weapons, explosives, etc on campus.

 

Don't like the rule, then lobby the legislature.

 

But, break the rule and you have to deal with the punishment.....that is the way the world works.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

And you brough up race in this discussion for what reason?

 

Because zero tolerance laws (despite being "zero tolerance")have been shown to be enforced against blacks more often than non-minorities. There is a clear classroom to jail pipeline that is reserved for blacks. And when you get in it becomes difficult to get out.

 

We certainly don't need this girl in the criminal justice system.

 

Unfortunately based on similar cases that friends have been in, her family will spend a bunch of money getting this reduced to a misdemeanor but the expulsion will be upheld.

 

There is no benefit for that.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:24 PM

Because zero tolerance laws (despite being "zero tolerance")have been shown to be enforced against blacks more often than non-minorities. There is a clear classroom to jail pipeline that is reserved for blacks. And when you get in it becomes difficult to get out.

 

We certainly don't need this girl in the criminal justice system.

 

Unfortunately based on similar cases that friends have been in, her family will spend a bunch of money getting this reduced to a misdemeanor but the expulsion will be upheld.

 

There is no benefit for that.

 

So now Zero Tolerance laws in school are a race thing....gotcha.

 

Nice that some things never change in the TB.

 

Stupid law with too strict of consequences....maybe.

 

Racially motivated in any way....not even close.

 

The school policies are very clear.....immediate expulsion for any student with an explosive device on campus that was not part of a school activity.  This is what she did, and this is exactly the punishment that she got.

 

Would you have made your post if the picture of the girl had been white?  I doubt it.

 




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