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Where is BigCatDaddy he usually has a better grasp on what UNC is doing than Roy

I see you wanted my input, last I heard it was Kansas but the last week I have heard UK, FSU, and unc were all locks. I personally think it's KU but who knows at this point.

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Hood and Dawkins have proven they are better then McDonald, Davis, Simmons, Hubert, Johnson, James, and Tokoto so you need to stop there. Plus you left out Cook who averaged 12ppg, 4rpg, and 5apg. So I think your evaluation is a little off just because guys sat out last year.

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Hood and Dawkins have proven they are better then McDonald, Davis, Simmons, Hubert, Johnson, James, and Tokoto so you need to stop there. Plus you left out Cook who averaged 12ppg, 4rpg, and 5apg. So I think your evaluation is a little off just because guys sat out last year

 

Since when did Hood and Dawkins prove they were better than McDonald? Those three players average's are very close and Johnson's aren't to far behind.

 

On top of that you are comparing your little guards to our trees. I'd like to see Hood and Dawkins come on inside and try to hang with trees, it ain't going to happen.

 

Besides Cook, Suliamon, and Thornton (who sucks), you are banking on a lot of players that didn't play at all last year or didn't play very much.

 

Carolina is returning nine players who saw 10mpg or more, you throw in our freshmen class and possibly Andrew Wiggins and we have one of the most experienced and deepest teams in the country.

 

This Carolina team has good starters, great role players, and good depth players; the only thing they are missing is a superstar and that could possibly be solved if Wiggins commits to UNC... If Wiggins commits to UNC, Carolina could essentially be a team that could go 12 deep if it needed (now obviously someone is going to get red-shirted).

 

Just for sh*ts and giggles...

 

PG: Marcus Paige, Nate Britt, (Luke Davis)

SG: P.J. Hairston, Leslie McDonald (Wade Moody)

SF: Andrew Wiggins, J.P. Tokoto (James Manor), (Denzel Robinson)

PF: Isaiah Hicks, Brice Johnson, Jackson Simmons

PF: James Michael McAdoo, Desmond Hubert, Kennedy Meeks (Joel James)

 

Now that's experience and that is deep.

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Since when did Hood and Dawkins prove they were better than McDonald? Those three players average's are very close and Johnson's aren't to far behind.

On top of that you are comparing your little guards to our trees. I'd like to see Hood and Dawkins come on inside and try to hang with trees, it ain't going to happen.

Besides Cook, Suliamon, and Thornton (who sucks), you are banking on a lot of players that didn't play at all last year or didn't play very much.

Carolina is returning nine players who saw 10mpg or more, you throw in our freshmen class and possibly Andrew Wiggins and we have one of the most experienced and deepest teams in the country.

This Carolina team has good starters, great role players, and good depth players; the only thing they are missing is a superstar and that could possibly be solved if Wiggins commits to UNC... If Wiggins commits to UNC, Carolina could essentially be a team that could go 12 deep if it needed (now obviously someone is going to get red-shirted).

Just for sh*ts and giggles...

PG: Marcus Paige, Nate Britt, (Luke Davis)

SG: P.J. Hairston, Leslie McDonald (Wade Moody)

SF: Andrew Wiggins, J.P. Tokoto (James Manor), (Denzel Robinson)

PF: Isaiah Hicks, Brice Johnson, Jackson Simmons

PF: James Michael McAdoo, Desmond Hubert, Kennedy Meeks (Joel James)

Now that's experience and that is deep.

Dawkins a national champion who for his career is a 40% 3 point shooter who averaged 9ppg playing behind Nolan Smith, Scheyer, Rivers, Curry and Irving. Also as a freshman Hood averaged more ppg and rpg then 80% of unc's team last year. What has McDonald done?

I also think it's funny you want to say Thornton sucks but you think James, Tokoto, Davis, and Hubert are good role players.

Duke:

Cook, Thornton

Sulaimon, Dawkins, Jones

Hood, Murphy, Ojeleye

Parker, Hairston

Jefferson, Plumlee

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Dawkins a national champion who for his career is a 40% 3 point shooter who averaged 9ppg playing behind Nolan Smith, Scheyer, Rivers, Curry and Irving. Also as a freshman Hood averaged more ppg and rpg then 80% of unc's team last year. What has McDonald done?

I also think it's funny you want to say Thornton sucks but you think James, Tokoto, Davis, and Hubert are good role players.

Duke:

Cook, Thornton

Sulaimon, Dawkins, Jones

Hood, Murphy, Ojeleye

Parker, Hairston

Jefferson, Plumlee

 

Rodney Hood averaged 32 minutes per game yet he only averaged 10 ppg at MSSU, Leslie averaged 7 points per game in only 17 minutes of playing time. Per 48's edge Leslie.

 

Thornton averaged 3 points in 22 (significant) minutes per game last year.

 

Once again those four guys mentioned played 15 minutes or less per game and performed just as well or better than Thornton

 

As far as Dawkins goes, who's to say he is the same player after all of his family issues...

 

On top of that if Carolina goes big at Duke and you guys don't hit your threes, the game will be over before it get's started.

 

This is one of the taller Carolina teams in recent history with them top heavy at the power forward position.

 

You can argue all you want but you guys aren't deeper or experienced than this Carolina team.

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I think Roy's credentials speak for themselves. One of the highest winning percentages of all time. and never lost a 1st round NCAA game.

When was the last time Coach K had to go to the NIT?? : D

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The only people who think Roy is one of the top 3 coaches in America are a minority of Carolina fans. Even most UNC fans will acknowledge that Roy has shown a lack of ability to have great teams unless he has the best talent. Is he a great recruiter? Yes. Then he turns that into winning...just like John Calipari. Does he do it with 1 and dones? No. But he does it with loads of guys who are top 25 top 35 talents and then somehow convinces them to stay...while other coaches around the country consistently lose lesser talents to the NBA year after year. Roy then keeps them around until they are Juniors...and it turns into a national title because if you have a junior-laden team full of guys that were at one point top 10 in their class, it's hard to beat. He's essentially the only coach that can consistently do that so I'll give him that credit. He's a very good coach...he's not in the top 5 though. Top 5 coaches don't go to the NIT...Ever.

 

When I was speaking to experience...I'm not saying UNC doesn't have experience (if I said that it's not what I meant). What I mean is that UNC's experience isn't as good as Duke's, MSUs etc. I don't think that JMM, Paige, and Hairston are even in the same class as a K-coached Suliamon, Hood, Jefferson, Thornton, Dawkins...even Parker plays well beyond his years. I'll admit K is the difference...but it's a big difference. BTW...Kennedy Meeks isn't going to see the floor next year.

 

Just for kicks here are my top 10 coaches:

1. K

2. Izzo

3. Pitino

4. Donovan

5. Boeheim

6. Self

7. Stevens

8. Roy

9. Bo Ryan

10. Cal

 

Roy will never be higher on that list unless he pulls off a national title with a team...like next year's team. If he won next year then he'd jump into that 2-3 conversation. But it's not going to happen.

 

Whats hilarious is how I have had UNC fans tell me that K is a douchebag bc he allegedly tries to get players to stay, continually quoting "Dean Smith forced MJ to go pro."  How many players has K kept for longer than they need to stay in school?  Now Roy Williams has cost McAdoo(Top 5 pick last year, likely would be mid 20's this year), Barnes(Top 3 after his freshman year 7th last year), Henson(Top 10 Freshman year, 14 Junior year), Davis(Top 5 freshman year, 13th as a soph)  off the top of my head, millions of dollars for getting them to stay.  You said it perfectly, its hard not to win a championship when you sacrifice the future of your players for the sake of the University.  I'm glad K doesn't screw his own players by blowing smoke up their ass telling them they need another year to develop.

 

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Whats hilarious is how I have had UNC fans tell me that K is a douchebag bc he allegedly tries to get players to stay, continually quoting "Dean Smith forced MJ to go pro."  How many players has K kept for longer than they need to stay in school?  Now Roy Williams has cost McAdoo(Top 5 pick last year, likely would be mid 20's this year), Barnes(Top 3 after his freshman year 7th last year), Henson(Top 10 Freshman year, 14 Junior year), Davis(Top 5 freshman year, 13th as a soph)  off the top of my head, millions of dollars for getting them to stay.  You said it perfectly, its hard not to win a championship when you sacrifice the future of your players for the sake of the University.  I'm glad K doesn't screw his own players by blowing smoke up their ass telling them they need another year to develop.

 

 

What's funny is a lot of times they do need to develop... I love how you are the all knowing sports genius around these parts. I'm pretty sure K not only screwed himself but he screwed Rivers when he let that young man walk...

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Any who, why are Duke Fans in this thread; can't you go make a Jabari Parker thread or something... Last time I checked the thread title was Wiggins and once again, the last time I checked Wiggins wasn't considering Duke...

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What's funny is a lot of times they do need to develop... I love how you are the all knowing sports genius around these parts. I'm pretty sure K not only screwed himself but he screwed Rivers when he let that young man walk...

 

Does Austin Rivers really strike you as someone who would listen to anyones advice but his own or maybe his fathers?  Kid was gonna do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.  One of the large reasons I am glad he left.  I am greatful for everything he did for us, and happy he came to Duke, but I wasn't upset when he left. 

 

Time to develop into what?  None of them made a vast improvement over their time at UNC, and none of them are playing spectacularly in the NBA.  Henson, Barnes and Davis have been solid in the NBA, but none of been close to what they projected to be out of high school.  At the end of the day, they lost millions of guaranteed dollars by staying in school.  If they were to go out and have a career ending injury(or if they had in school), god forbid, then I'm sure they would wish that they had that money.  The big difference between K and Roy is that K goes out and tries to get 4 year guys, to coach them up, maybe give them a shot in the NBA, and when he gets one and dones he doesn't try to keep them back in school.  Roy goes out and recruits one and dones and tries to make them stay for longer than they should, thus costing them millions and potentially their careers.  Like I said before, its great when a coach will do whatever he can for the sake of his team, but not when it is at the cost of risking a talented young player's future career and financial stability.

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