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#1 carolina-chuck

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

We have finally landed two very good DTs this year in Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short.
Before that, we have seen many DTs mocked to us the previous few years such as Marcell Dareus, Fletcher Cox, Michael Brockers, and a couple guys that I would've liked to have in the 2nd Rd of last year: Devon Still and Jerel Worthy. Dareus, Cox, and Brockers had very, very good rookie seasons to start their long careers, while Still and Worthy were limited.

I would like the huddle's opinion on comparing Star to Marcell Dareus (2011) and Kawann to Cox/Brockers (2012). For example, just analysis, similarity, differences, etc. I want your own opinions, not quoting sources. Who do you guys think were better coming out the draft? And, do you guys think that Star and Short can have similar type of season like Dareus, Cox, and Brockers?


***Star Lotulelei, NT Carolina Panthers: 6'3" 311 lbs

compare to

Marcell Dareus, NT Buffalo Bills: 6'3" 331 lbs
(2011: 43 Tkl, 5.5 Sck, 2 PDef, 0 FF)

and


***Kawann Short, DT Carolina Panthers: 6'3" 308 lbs

compare to

Fletcher Cox, DT Philadelphia Eagles: 6'4" 298 lbs
(2012: 39 Tkl, 5.5 Sck, 4 PDef, 1 FF)

Michael Brockers, DT St. Louis Rams: 6'5" 322 lbs

(2012: 31 Tkl, 4.0 Sck, 1 PDef, 1 FF)



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:31 PM

I think we have a sweet ass DL, but I think it might take some time for these rookies to grow.  I still expect to see Edwards, Fua and Kearse in there a lot.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:37 PM

wouldn't start have to play before he can be compared?



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

I think we have a sweet ass DL, but I think it might take some time for these rookies to grow. I still expect to see Edwards, Fua and Kearse in there a lot.


People like to say that DTs doesn't have much impact in their first year, but the past couple of years have kind of prove that theory wrong. You don't think Star can have similar instant impact? I like to think that Short can have immediate impact but I think Rivera is going to bring him along slowly.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

wouldn't start have to play before he can be compared?


I'm kind of looking for serious answers, not smart funny ones. Save it for another day.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

I'm kind of looking for serious answers, not smart funny ones. Save it for another day.

 

i am being serious.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

Star at NT > all those guys, Dareus has been meh, Brockers has been a good run stuffing DT but is still growing and learning how to use his body and hands.  Cox would be preferable at the 3 over Short, comparable size, but Cox is a better overall athlete.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:44 PM

People like to say that DTs doesn't have much impact in their first year, but the past couple of years have kind of prove that theory wrong. You don't think Star can have similar instant impact? I like to think that Short can have immediate impact but I think Rivera is going to bring him along slowly.

 

 

 

I hope these guys come in a have an impact.  But Short and Star most definitely will be better then Fua and McClain were their rookie years.  Mix in a vet in Dwan Edwards, and I think we have a great rotation to get those guys acclimated to the NFL.

 

These guys are big and strong, but they still might need to perfect there technique at the pro level.

 

I cant wait to see these guys in Preseason.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

Star at NT > all those guys, Dareus has been meh, Brockers has been a good run stuffing DT but is still growing and learning how to use his body and hands. Cox would be preferable at the 3 over Short, comparable size, but Cox is a better overall athlete.


Yea that's what I kind of thought also. I think Star is much better than Dareus and that Cox might have the edge over Short.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:48 PM

I hope these guys come in a have an impact. But Short and Star most definitely will be better then Fua and McClain were their rookie years. Mix in a vet in Dwan Edwards, and I think we have a great rotation to get those guys acclimated to the NFL.

These guys are big and strong, but they still might need to perfect there technique at the pro level.

I cant wait to see these guys in Preseason.

Definetely. They are 100x better than Fua and McClain. Well, let's hope so.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:48 PM

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:49 PM

Yea that's what I kind of thought also. I think Star is much better than Dareus and that Cox might have the edge over Short.


How is Star better than Dareus without playing a down in the NFL?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:50 PM

How is Star better than Dareus without playing a down in the NFL?


As a prospect coming out.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

Going into the draft I like Star more than I liked any of the previous mentioned DTs, by a lot. I did like Brockers quite a bit more than Short and I'd have put Cox on about equal ground, maybe a hair above. But those are all mid to high 1st round guys vs Short who was a mid 2nd round guy. I think Star will come in and have a substantial impact right away. Maybe not on the stat sheet but definitely on the production of the players around him. Short might have a little longer development period.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:53 PM

As a prospect coming out.


So what are you basing the comparison on, their college statistics?


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