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#16 Munch4455

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

MKG will be just fine.  He needs to spend this summer shooting jump shots.  If he can get a reliable jumper out to 18 feet, I think his offensive game will open up greatly.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

Very good say!!!

I'm just hesitating to think he'll be somewhat close to Iggy.
And even if he's Iggy, he won't be the missing piece for a Championship just like how Iggy has proved.

He can't shoot as well as "Iggy" either.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

One thing you can develop is a shot..IMO.

Scottie Pippen was real raw with a shot his first three seasons..then got a reliable bank shot and progresses to an above avg shooter.

Jalen Rose was a below avg shooter in college then after three season began to light it up. You see a lot of vets get a great shot toward the end of their careers.

The main problem with the Bobcats roster is the pieces just do not fit together. We have what would be great bench guys in starting roles: MKG and even Kemba..who greatly improved to borderline Starting material.(still real inconsistant)

I do see MKG eventually coming off the bench for energy Defense and being the OKC Sabolosha-type role once this roster gets built up.

Team needs to get scorers obviously and one in the low post..i even see Kemba as a great 6th man. Jamal Crawford type who can come in and light it up focusing on offense.

I might even agree with the theory of drafting yet another project in Noel just to have yet another bad season and three great picks with Noel coming back strong with a year to get healthy and work on skills.

Get the scorers and use FA money on target guys.

That's what disturbs me. I don't want MKG, a no.2 overall pick being a Sefolosha type of player. That would pretty much be a huge bust and an added bad pick to our previous draft mistakes.

3-4 years from now, he need to be Iggy, not Wallace or Sefolosha.

I really think that McLemore would help MKG in
a variety of ways. He will make defense stay honest with him and Kemba on the outside where MKG can win more inside the arc. I would love to have Noel but he would really do nothing to help our offense. I see him a lot like Tyson Chandler. Our offense is not that good right now, and adding Noel another raw player will only make our offense worse. We need a guy like McLemore to compliment Kemba and MKG in the back court.

We can't keep taking these raw players. We're struggling with Biz and MKG already.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

He can't shoot as well as "Iggy" either.


Exactly.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:03 PM

MKG will be just fine. He needs to spend this summer shooting jump shots. If he can get a reliable jumper out to 18 feet, I think his offensive game will open up greatly.


I think if we can add McLemore, that will help open MKG's offensive game.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:17 PM

I'll be honest, I wanted us to take Beal last season to pair with Kemba in our back court. I think that partnership could have given us the long term answer at both positions. Beal has shown he has the makings of a star in this league, and I think him and Kemba could have been a great pairing. 

 

That being said, I think MKG did show a lot of potential last season, all he needs is more minutes and further coaching. He's got the ability to be a very good player in the NBA, but my concern is that he will not get the time he needs to develop into the play that we hope/know he could become. This could especially be the case after the next two drafts and free agencies. For me, he is going to have to improve a lot next season to prove he is our long term answer for the small forward position. But personally I think his future will either end up being on the bench or on another team after having been traded away for picks or another young player in a position of need.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

That's what disturbs me. I don't want MKG, a no.2 overall pick being a Sefolosha type of player. That would pretty much be a huge bust and an added bad pick to our previous draft mistakes.

3-4 years from now, he need to be Iggy, not Wallace or Sefolosha.

I really think that McLemore would help MKG in
a variety of ways. He will make defense stay honest with him and Kemba on the outside where MKG can win more inside the arc. I would love to have Noel but he would really do nothing to help our offense. I see him a lot like Tyson Chandler. Our offense is not that good right now, and adding Noel another raw player will only make our offense worse. We need a guy like McLemore to compliment Kemba and MKG in the back court.

We can't keep taking these raw players. We're struggling with Biz and MKG already.


It is a a let down of a number 2 pick but he looks like a tweener to me. That for me makes him more role player than elite talent. Now if he can get a dramatic improvement on his shot or gets a nice floater...now he will be starting for a bit because Bobcat talent is lacking.

It was a ho hum draft as this one is... MKG has some elite defensive and intangible traites so being so young I hope he continues to develop. But ideally for this team to be good with MKG and what "I See" as his projected development he should be a role player.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:01 PM

I'm very happy with the MKG pick. The only player I would pick over MKG in a redraft would be Drummond. I wouldn't take Beal or Lillard over him. We already have Hendo at SG and Kemba at PG. Kemba is already a better PG than Lillard is, and is around the same age. I see MKG being a #4 option on a very good playoff team in the future, but also guarding the best wing, grabbing 7-8 rebounds a game, getting 1-2 steals and 1-2 blocks a game while being a beast in transition. I'll take that considering I don't see anyone outside of Drummond having more potential to impact a game from that draft class (other than AD obviously).



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:50 AM

Per36 Stats (Pts/Reb/Ast)

 

MKG- 12.5/8.0/2.1

Barnes- 13.0/5.8/1.7

Beal- 16.0/4.4/2.8

 

For those that think that Barnes is that much better offensively than MKG, he scored 0.5 points per 36 mins than MKG. MKG doesn't even have a jumpshot! MKG brought down 2.2 more rebounds and dished out 0.4 more assists (consider who they have to pass to), not mention played solid defense. Barnes also has 2 years on MKG. And someone said Barnes can create his own shot and that's something we need. I'm not sure where that's coming from because Barnes is simply an athletic spot up shooter right now (sadly what I see Ben McLemore as too). I think we made the right choice out of these two.

 

As far as MKG vs Beal, Beal beats him in the scoring department, but the value of a good SF > the value of a good SG because it's much easier to find a solid SG than a solid SF. One of Beal's selling points was that he was considered a "combo-guard" but only dished out 2.8 assists per 36 minutes. That's not a combo-guard. At the position we were in at the time, I'd still take MKG over Beal.

 

 



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 12:03 PM

Per36 Stats (Pts/Reb/Ast)

MKG- 12.5/8.0/2.1
Barnes- 13.0/5.8/1.7
Beal- 16.0/4.4/2.8

For those that think that Barnes is that much better offensively than MKG, he scored 0.5 points per 36 mins than MKG. MKG doesn't even have a jumpshot! MKG brought down 2.2 more rebounds and dished out 0.4 more assists (consider who they have to pass to), not mention played solid defense. Barnes also has 2 years on MKG. And someone said Barnes can create his own shot and that's something we need. I'm not sure where that's coming from because Barnes is simply an athletic spot up shooter right now (sadly what I see Ben McLemore as too). I think we made the right choice out of these two.

As far as MKG vs Beal, Beal beats him in the scoring department, but the value of a good SF > the value of a good SG because it's much easier to find a solid SG than a solid SF. One of Beal's selling points was that he was considered a "combo-guard" but only dished out 2.8 assists per 36 minutes. That's not a combo-guard. At the position we were in at the time, I'd still take MKG over Beal.

Good thought.
But you gotta remember that Barnes is playing alongside Curry and Thompson whom are going to take a lot of shots. It's Curry team and especially with him being the best shooter on that team and the "PG" he has the ball awful lot in his hands. He's going to shoot when he wants to bc he can.

Though, I do agree that as of right now Barnes is nothing more than a spot up shooter. I however, disagree with you on that with McLemore. Ben do run a lot of screens to set him up for the shot but I think as an overall player he's much better than Barnes. He has amazing speed to transition end to end and score off the board. Ben can score more than one way bc the kid is so athletically gifted. He's not going to settle as just a spot up shooter.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:59 PM

In retrospect Drummond clearly should have been the pick, but what can you say. A lot of teams passed on him that shouldn't have. Barnes and Beal would have been fine picks too but I don't think they are clearly superior prospects. Lillard is better than any of them today but I'm not convinced that will be the case 5 years from now. We may not have gotten a home run, but outside of Drummond who was a huge question mark at the time there is nobody worth kicking ourselves over. I think we made out just fine, all things considered. 



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

In the "what have you done for me lately" world we live in, it is easy to say Barnes is better when he is still playing in the playoffs with Golden State and MKG's offseasn already started.  As previously mentioned, the body of work over all 82 games leans more towards MKG.  Hell, everyone is saying Steph Curry should have been in the MVP race with what he has done just in the 1st round of the playoffs.... it makes it easy to forget that he was snubbed for the all-star game this year.

 

Kidd-Gilchrist is going to be a great core player for our team in the future and there is no need to worry...



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:07 PM

Per36 Stats (Pts/Reb/Ast)

 

MKG- 12.5/8.0/2.1

Barnes- 13.0/5.8/1.7

Beal- 16.0/4.4/2.8

 

For those that think that Barnes is that much better offensively than MKG, he scored 0.5 points per 36 mins than MKG. MKG doesn't even have a jumpshot! MKG brought down 2.2 more rebounds and dished out 0.4 more assists (consider who they have to pass to), not mention played solid defense. Barnes also has 2 years on MKG. And someone said Barnes can create his own shot and that's something we need. I'm not sure where that's coming from because Barnes is simply an athletic spot up shooter right now (sadly what I see Ben McLemore as too). I think we made the right choice out of these two.

 

As far as MKG vs Beal, Beal beats him in the scoring department, but the value of a good SF > the value of a good SG because it's much easier to find a solid SG than a solid SF. One of Beal's selling points was that he was considered a "combo-guard" but only dished out 2.8 assists per 36 minutes. That's not a combo-guard. At the position we were in at the time, I'd still take MKG over Beal.

Apples and oranges comparison.  Of course Barnes isn't scoring that much more with Golden State.  Look at the scorers on that roster.  Curry, Thompson, Lee and Jarrett Jack are scoring options that come before Barnes. When your 4th option is scoring 13 per 36, you're doing pretty well.   



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:28 PM

Apples and oranges comparison. Of course Barnes isn't scoring that much more with Golden State. Look at the scorers on that roster. Curry, Thompson, Lee and Jarrett Jack are scoring options that come before Barnes. When your 4th option is scoring 13 per 36, you're doing pretty well.



Yea I agree.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:48 PM

Barnes is developing but still just missing something.

Beal is a bit too one trick guy with shooting. He does not show a natural feel for the game*

*My own definition of feel for the game is the difference between a Stephon Curry to a Montae Ellis.

Both can shoot, pass n have athletic ability.. One just can make more of the right plays(Curry) at least until he has a big lead with 3 min left in the game.

Barnes can be developed... Beal seems more Ben Gordon than Ray Allen.


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