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If Kenjon Barner shows competence, is Deangelo gone on June 1?

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#16 Who Said What?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

I do not think so.  Gettleman has only been signing vets on one year minimums, so why would he not give D-lo one more year if it only going to give us a few million?  I would be livid if during the season, Stewart went down and we had to start Barner.  Tolbert could step up too, but he is not as explosive as Deangelo.  We should use this year to prep Barner like San Fran did his former teammate James.  We can correct the running style and the fumble-itis, and pass protection.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

Deangelo isnt getting any younger.  If hes not going to be completely utilized this year, then there's no reason to keep him on the team.  If I am Deangelo and I am told I will be the #2 back, I demand to be released or traded.  If I am carolina, and I do plan on making Deangelo #1 back, I don't want him going through the season worrying about what will happen at the end of the season.  This needs to be resolved before the season starts or it could end up as a major distraction to the team.

 

We have run a 2 back system for years now.  Deangelo and Stewart are both friends and both getting paid.  I don't think that's as huge an issue as it would be on another team.   I see Barner fulfilling the Goodsen role.  Special teams, some third down situations.  However we will definitely know by end of year if he is the answer.  I see no way Deangelo is on the rooster after this season, we already have seen in earlier post his trade value is basically slightly higher than Clausen, plus the team is already on the hook salary cap wise.  
 



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:50 AM

Williams is the best RB on the team, but his contract is not guaranteed so he saves almost $4 million in cap space this year.  He is gone.  Sucks but what are we going to do?  Pay Stewart and Williams #1 RB money and use Newton as our primary runner?  

 

Stewart already restructured his contract and his $ is guaranteed so he isn't going anywhere unless there is some crazy team willing to trade for him.

 

It's a mess.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:57 AM

Williams is the best RB on the team, but his contract is not guaranteed so he saves almost $4 million in cap space this year. He is gone. Sucks but what are we going to do? Pay Stewart and Williams #1 RB money and use Newton as our primary runner?

Stewart already restructured his contract and his $ is guaranteed so he isn't going anywhere unless there is some crazy team willing to trade for him.

It's a mess.


Then why for the past 2 years do they think Stewart should see the field more than Williams?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:06 AM

Not a fan of cutting our most productive rb. Yea he was demoted last season but only on paper as he received more carries than when he was the "starter" plus Stewart didn't exactly shine in the starting roll. Deangelo was a key factor in our wins down the stretch.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:16 AM

I'd try my damndest to try him for anything I can get just to dump his contract.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:45 AM

Not a fan of cutting our most productive rb. Yea he was demoted last season but only on paper as he received more carries than when he was the "starter" plus Stewart didn't exactly shine in the starting roll. Deangelo was a key factor in our wins down the stretch.

 

I thought that as well at the end of last year.  I came on the huddle to argue Stewart vs D-Lo and I was bombarded with nonsense about how the opposing defenses were terrible at the end of the year.  Deangelo > Stewart and only three years older.  I do believe his astronomical contract was over the top, but I still would have signed Deangelo two years ago and let Stewart walk this offseason.  At least if we would have waited to sign him, we would have had a ton of leverage.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:47 AM

gettlemen's responses to williams's status for this season say otherwise.

yep. very non-committal. williams remaining tenure with us long term or short term is anything but sure.

 

I think it also has more to do with cost vs production.

 

DeAngelo could go somewhere else this year and be a 1,000 yard back but it will be for a fraction of what we are paying him and that team will not have better options on the team.

he will be the 7th highest paid RB in the league this year and the 4th highest paid the next couple years after that. this year he is behind ADP, chris johnson, marshawn lynch, mcfadden, arian foster, and MJD. next year behind only ADP, johnson, and shady mccoy. no way does his production, even at his best, warrant that kind of pay. you take away the less than one 20+ yarder per game and what does he have left as far as production? it's not 5ypa. it's not 75 yards a game. since '09 he hasn't had a 100+ yard game against a team that wasn't the saints and he's only done that twice. he had 18 rushing TDs in 2008. since then he's had 20 rushing TDs. that's 4 years with an average of 5 TDs.

 

he's a part time role player. even if, as some say, he hasn't lost a step (which i don't buy, but whatever) does his production and part time usage warrant that kind of pay? is he THAT important of a figure to the team to have him be the third highest paid player on the team? he's behind beason and johnson. you could argue that beason doesn't deserve that much pay considering being on IR for two years and losing his MLB spot to a rookie, but even at that he's got a starting gig when he does come back and will likely see the field on at least half the snaps on defense. williams time on the field won't come close to that.

 

it's not about williams...it's all about his contract, and it's just too high for what we're getting. and that level of production is easily replaceable by players currently on the roster.

 

Why would DWill demand to be released?  He is being paid like an elite #1 back.  He will not get anywhere near that kind of money anywhere else.

no one would pay that amount of money to him.
no one but us.

 

but even if you take away that money, it's doubtful he would be able to be a featured back anywhere in the league. any team that takes him would only take him to be part of a committee. his time has come and gone where he could be the featured back somewhere.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

I'd try my damndest to try him for anything I can get just to dump his contract.

 

agreed. might have to wait until after next year, tho. we'll see what we've got in the barner kid and be glad for having less of a cap hit after the year.

 

if williams doesn't take a significant pay cut, we'll have very little justification for keeping him around.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:15 AM

he is the most talented RB we have, however we don't use him right, nor enough, to justify his contract. 



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:20 AM

I think Williams is gone no matter what. We have got to sign Hardy to a new contract before the season starts and releasing Williams might allow that to happen.

 

It will be sad to see - Stewart and DWill in their glory days were so fun to watch. But that era ended when we signed Cam.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:23 AM

I think Williams is gone no matter what. We have got to sign Hardy to a new contract before the season starts and releasing Williams might allow that to happen.

 

It will be sad to see - Stewart and DWill in their glory days were so fun to watch. But that era ended when we signed Cam.

 

Don't be surprised if we don't sign Hardy to a new contract.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:23 AM

he is the most talented RB we have, however we don't use him right, nor enough, to justify his contract. 

 

he was the most talented back



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

Not a fan of cutting our most productive rb. Yea he was demoted last season but only on paper as he received more carries than when he was the "starter" plus Stewart didn't exactly shine in the starting roll. Deangelo was a key factor in our wins down the stretch.


His production was greatly distorted last season....he really wasn't that productive outside of the Saints.

That was 14 games vs 2. In those other 14 r basically took a 1 screen pass to the house and was very unimpressive outside that play

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

2011:                                                                                         2012:

 

Williams:  836 rush yds 7 td    135 rec yds 0 td                                         737 rush yds 5 td          187 rec yds  2 td

Stewart:   761 rush yds 4 td    413 rec yds 1 td                                         336 rush yds 1 td          157 rec yds  1 td

Newton:   706 rush yds 14 td    27 rec yds 0 td                                         741 rush yds 8 td              0 rec yds  0 td

 

 

For me, Deangelo is a good back, but way overpaid for the contribution/value he has brought to the team since signing the contract.  When you take into account that Stewart played half as many games in '12, you see Williams actually went down by 100 yds, which is further proof that he's hitting that age when RBs decline.  Since signing the contract, we haven't made the playoffs nor had our previous ground n' pound style of play.  We all know the contract is toxic and has been since it was announced under the previous regime.  No way he is on the team in 2014, but I don't think it's a financial advantage to cut him this June 1.  His albatross contract has kept us out of the free agent market and out of the playoffs.  I love him as a player, but his presence is negatively affecting the team's flexibility to improve.

 





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