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Best Answer JawnyBlaze, 10 May 2013 - 08:29 AM

Suggs missed just 8 games last year and they won the Superbowl. I don know how you can minimize him using that reasoning and at the same time praise Beason and Davis who have missed about 5 seasons of the past 6 combined. Yes, Davis had a miraculous comeback and played well.

 

I'm not trying to minimize Suggs, I think he's an excellent player and I'm not trying to say he's washed up.  But he seemed less explosive to me after coming back from the injury.  TD was no less explosive or quick.  If anything he almost seemed moreso.  Beason is a big question mark, but I put a caveat in my claim that IF they're healthy.

 

Even considering Suggs in top form, that's still only three real VERY good players in their front 7 in Ngata, Dumervil and Suggs.  Since we could say the same thing about Arthur Brown as Star (though not to the extreme, I don't think Brown is that close to the level of prospect that Star is) we'll throw Brown in there for 4 of their front 7 being VERY good players, assuming everyone is healthy and playing up to their drafted potential.

 

With the same standards in place, everyone is healthy and playing up to their drafted potential, 6 of our front 7 are VERY good players.  SIX.  Even if you toss Beason out because you don't believe he'll be healthy (which I wouldn't say), that's still 5 of our front 7 being dominant, VERY good players.  I still give us the edge.  Especially if you give Short the same courtesy as Brown and include him in the tally since he has as much potential as Brown.  I just didn't initially include him because I don't think he'll be starting right away.

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#1 TheRumGone

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:13 PM

Well I have to say, after watching La Renarde on the NFL top 100 I've gotten pretty excited about our LB group. We obviously have question marks about Beason, his injuries and his contract. But if all goes right we have a formidable, dangerous group of linebackers in Keek, TD, and Beason to go alone with our front four. What are your hopes and expectations for this group, as well as our back ups Klein and Blackburn?  Do you think Beason moving to the outside will be benefial to him as well as the team.

 

I know there are question marks about this group but things seem to be taking shape for us to have one dominant front seven.  Beason is two years removed from his achilles injury. Davis bounced back to be more than solid after his injuries. It's really a scary front seven to think about when all are healthy and productive. Thoughts?



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

If Beason and TD stay healthy and Star is even half of what he's supposed to be I'd put our front 7 up there with SF's as the best two in the league.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:37 PM

Alexander is poised to have a breakout year, Dwan is Dee-Wan, Star will stomp some ass, KK may be better than anybody in the middle that got drafted getting to the QB then you throw in Big Money and Kraken?

Hell, if Beason, TD and Keek stay healthy...Steven Hawking can play S or CB and we would make the damn playoffs.

 

 

 

DEAD GIVEAWAY!!

 

I ate ribs wit dat dude!



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:39 PM

oh the offseasons. stupid opinions and predictions that lead to threads.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:40 PM

Yeah pretty excited.

Really think our secondary will suprise alot of people though!!

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:51 PM

oh the offseasons. stupid opinions and predictions that lead to threads.

 

so informative, i'm learning a whole lot from your posts. It's quite amazing. Why don't you tell me about how Beason moving to the outside will help this team win. Does it play to his strengths? How about having two leaders at the LB positions in Beason and Keek? How about the versatility of this front seven to run some 3-4 schemes?  How will TD be after a full offseason work out without having to do rehab workouts?

 

you are a funny guy though. very clever.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:45 AM

If Beason and TD stay healthy and Star is even half of what he's supposed to be I'd put our front 7 up there with SF's as the best two in the league.


Don't forget Dallas (Ware, Carter, Lee) and Baltimore (Dumbervil OLB/DE, Arthur Brown, McClain, Upshaw, Suggs)

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:54 AM

"IMO", I believe that it will only be a 'mental' issue for Beason moving to OLB. The man was an OLB at the U. He knows how to play OLB. I dont see why he wont have success there if he comes back fully healthy. If he can get over the fact that he loss his honorable "MLB" job to Luke and settle for a less prestigious position on the outside he will be fine (which i do believe). It's not a case of if he can/can't play OLB, but more him just taking and being happy at playing another position.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:11 AM

After watching the Luke segment of top-100 I don't think that'll be a problem for Beason.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:27 AM

Don't forget Dallas (Ware, Carter, Lee) and Baltimore (Dumbervil OLB/DE, Arthur Brown, McClain, Upshaw, Suggs)

 

I said front 7, not LB corps.  Dallas' move to a 4-3 could very well negate Ware's talent, but even considering Ware at his most effective their D-line sucks and as a front 7 don't even come close to ours.  Lee's a good LB, but he's not as good as our worst starting LB.  Same for Carter, though I don't know if he's even proven anything in the NFL yet.

 

Baltimore has a good front 7, but Suggs and Ngata are the two best there and Suggs is slowing down with injuries and age.  If Suggs were in top form I'd include them.  With Upshaw not having done anything in the NFL, Brown being a rookie and unproven, McClain a proven bust, Suggs slowing down I wouldn't put them in the same category.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:34 AM

so informative, i'm learning a whole lot from your posts. It's quite amazing. Why don't you tell me about how Beason moving to the outside will help this team win. Does it play to his strengths? How about having two leaders at the LB positions in Beason and Keek? How about the versatility of this front seven to run some 3-4 schemes?  How will TD be after a full offseason work out without having to do rehab workouts?

 

you are a funny guy though. very clever.

hmmmm...you actually noticed him? he's one of the most  unsuccessful attention ***** trolls I've seen in the huddle. kind of a weak version of brooklyn bully or whatever his name is.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

I said front 7, not LB corps.  Dallas' move to a 4-3 could very well negate Ware's talent, but even considering Ware at his most effective their D-line sucks and as a front 7 don't even come close to ours.  Lee's a good LB, but he's not as good as our worst starting LB.  Same for Carter, though I don't know if he's even proven anything in the NFL yet.

 

Baltimore has a good front 7, but Suggs and Ngata are the two best there and Suggs is slowing down with injuries and age.  If Suggs were in top form I'd include them.  With Upshaw not having done anything in the NFL, Brown being a rookie and unproven, McClain a proven bust, Suggs slowing down I wouldn't put them in the same category.

yeah, with how good alexander has looked and the way our DTs are shaping up I'd put our front seven, rotation and all, up against any.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:15 AM


Baltimore has a good front 7, but Suggs and Ngata are the two best there and Suggs is slowing down with injuries and age. If Suggs were in top form I'd include them. With Upshaw not having done anything in the NFL, Brown being a rookie and unproven, McClain a proven bust, Suggs slowing down I wouldn't put them in the same category.


Beason and Davis are aging and injured as well. Beason hasnnt played for two years.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:42 AM

Beason and Davis are aging and injured as well. Beason hasnnt played for two years.

 

Beason is the only one coming off of an injury, and neither one is over 30.  Davis just turned 30 but he missed a few years so his body actually has less wear and tear than others who played the same position (absent the knee of course).  TD is still explosive instinctive and looking to make impact on every play.  Keek is on another level already.  Beason will have to figure out his spot but you cant say if healthy he would be worse at run support than JA.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:46 AM

Beason is the only one coming off of an injury, and neither one is over 30. Davis just turned 30 but he missed a few years so his body actually has less wear and tear than others who played the same position (absent the knee of course). TD is still explosive instinctive and looking to make impact on every play. Keek is on another level already. Beason will have to figure out his spot but you cant say if healthy he would be worse at run support than JA.


Suggs missed just 8 games last year and they won the Superbowl. I don know how you can minimize him using that reasoning and at the same time praise Beason and Davis who have missed about 5 seasons of the past 6 combined. Yes, Davis had a miraculous comeback and played well.



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