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#16 DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA)

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:19 AM

Make Wallace signed for 60 million, 20 guaranteed
Harvin signed for 67 million, 25 guaranteed
Greg Jennigs signed for 47 million, 18 guaranteed.


SO are we bashing Gettleman for not spending money that doesn't exist on his ledger?

You just asked about what talent existed....

Teams can create room. Teams can tweak things. Just a game of numbers. Maybe one could of been had...maybe not.

Only way one could of been had would have been for Gettlemen to start reshaping this team NOW vs waiting until after Ron's audition season.

I thought they should of drafted talent not gone through FA.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:20 AM

Can't be mad at the Star and Short picks.  We had neglected the position for far too long and it had to be addressed with REAL talent, and so we did with two picks that can't even really be argued against in regards to value.

 

That being said, I have been giving a lot of thought to some of the arguments I've been hearing on various shows in which I keep hearing:

 

"What do you do with a young QB?  You keep bringing him in weapons to prop him up until he's ready to fly on his own."

 

I keep wondering, have we brought in enough legitimate weapons to help Cam?  I'm actually slightly more troubled that we didn't address TE and give him a legit/proven option outside of Olsen.  A lot of teams are going with 2 capable TEs, and unless one of our lesser known signings pans out, then that TE position is looking really thin.

 

As far as WR...  I can't really judge right now.  Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Pilares, Adams, and then we have a guy who has flashed and is reportedly a weapon in waiting in Gettis.  Then the potential that a guy could play his way up from the PS.  We'll see.  It's possible we already have all the weapons.  I maintain that Gettis is going to be a difference maker and I'm hoping Gettleman feels the same.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:21 AM

You just asked about what talent existed....

Teams can create room. Teams can tweak things. Just a game of numbers. Maybe one could of been had...maybe not

 

I figured "that we could afford" would be implied for readers.

 

Hey Gettleman! I need to you tweak 20 million dollars today! Get on it!



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:26 AM

Every expert says teams should draft by value. Now when a team does, all they can talk about is that they didn't draft their needs.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:29 AM

I figured "that we could afford" would be implied for readers.

Hey Gettleman! I need to you tweak 20 million dollars today! Get on it!


Well, I have gone on record many times...I was a supporter of drafting WR talent....it made sense. Carolina isn't really building around Cam....which is sad. Our situation around Cam looks much better in our eyes than the outside world. Imagine if Ron goes this year and Smitty retires....sucks to be Cam.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:35 AM

You think theyre 420 friendly too?

 

 

Yeah, and we just had $8-10M of cap space lying around.

 

Would have been an absolutely stupid move to cut players to sign one WR this off season



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:35 AM

Well, I have gone on record many times...I was a supporter of drafting WR talent....it made sense. Carolina isn't really building around Cam....which is sad. Our situation around Cam looks much better in our eyes than the outside world. Imagine if Ron goes this year and Smitty retires....sucks to be Cam.

 

 

I did not see the talent that was available where we picked unless we reached.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:36 AM

Carolina isn't really building around Cam....

Do you spend tons of money on an offense to surround Cam while risking not being able to afford him long term? Or do you spend an average amount on the offense around him, sign him long term, and hope he can elevate players ala Tom Brady.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:36 AM

Can't be mad at the Star and Short picks.  We had neglected the position for far too long and it had to be addressed with REAL talent, and so we did with two picks that can't even really be argued against in regards to value.

 

That being said, I have been giving a lot of thought to some of the arguments I've been hearing on various shows in which I keep hearing:

 

"What do you do with a young QB?  You keep bringing him in weapons to prop him up until he's ready to fly on his own."

 

I keep wondering, have we brought in enough legitimate weapons to help Cam?  I'm actually slightly more troubled that we didn't address TE and give him a legit/proven option outside of Olsen.  A lot of teams are going with 2 capable TEs, and unless one of our lesser known signings pans out, then that TE position is looking really thin.

 

As far as WR...  I can't really judge right now.  Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Pilares, Adams, and then we have a guy who has flashed and is reportedly a weapon in waiting in Gettis.  Then the potential that a guy could play his way up from the PS.  We'll see.  It's possible we already have all the weapons.  I maintain that Gettis is going to be a difference maker and I'm hoping Gettleman feels the same.

If Cam needs more weapons that Stew, DWill, Tolbert, Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Olsen to be successful......then he is nowhere near the QB that we all believe he is.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:38 AM

If Cam needs more weapons that Stew, DWill, Tolbert, Smitty, LaFell, Hixon, Ginn, Olsen to be successful......then he is nowhere near the QB that we all believe he is.

 

Actually, shows such as NFLAM and the like have cited Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the archetypes for this philosophy of continuing to add talent around a QB.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:39 AM

Well, I have gone on record many times...I was a supporter of drafting WR talent....it made sense. Carolina isn't really building around Cam....which is sad. Our situation around Cam looks much better in our eyes than the outside world. Imagine if Ron goes this year and Smitty retires....sucks to be Cam.

 

the WR's that were there in the 2nd round are NOT any better than LaFell.

 

And, if you would have supported taking Patterson or Hopkins over Star at #14.....well, then there is no point in having any further discussions here. 



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:39 AM

What people don't understand is, we would have been in the playoffs last year if it weren't for crazy playcalling.  Cam has enough weapons to get this thing done when it comes down to it.  Cam has a better group of guys, than Brady did in his three superbowl seasons.  Brady didn't have a superstar receiver during those times.  He didn't have a great RB during his first two superbowl runs.  No, it was a great defense and great QB play that lead them to those victories.

 

I'm excited for our defense this year.  All we really need is to bring in a corner and we are straight.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:39 AM

Well, I have gone on record many times...I was a supporter of drafting WR talent....it made sense. Carolina isn't really building around Cam....which is sad. Our situation around Cam looks much better in our eyes than the outside world. Imagine if Ron goes this year and Smitty retires....sucks to be Cam.

We have built around Cam.  We have brought in a first round tight end in Olsen, we have an All pro in Smith and a productive second receiver in LaFell.  Ginn was a first rounder who has not been used to his potential and Hixon is a solid number 3/4.  We have 2 pro-bowl linemen and got a second round guard last year.  We have 2 first round running backs and a very productive guy out of the backfield in Tolbert.  We have given Cam plenty of weapons.  I fail to see how bringing in a guy in the second round to compete for the number 3 or 4 slot on the team would be addressing the position well while not doing so means we neglected it.  I would expect that from talking heads, not someone who say they actually follow the panthers and know the team.   



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:40 AM

Actually, shows such as NFLAM and the like have cited Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the archetypes for this philosophy of continuing to add talent around a QB.

 

The Patriots have the WORST wide receiving corp in the league.  And they plug and play nobody's in at RB.

 

So, shows that NFLAM has no clue what they are talking about.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:41 AM

Actually, shows such as NFLAM and the like have cited Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the archetypes for this philosophy of continuing to add talent around a QB.

 

We don't have the coaching staff for that "No Defense" philosophy those teams subscribe to.

 

And I am happy about that.

 

The Giants have a franchise QB in Eli with adequate weapons and a good defense. Gettleman might be leaning more this way after seeing it win Superbowls.




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