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#61 Matthias

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:58 AM

It's like what my mom use to tell me as a kid, when I hastily wanted to eat my dessert.  She would say eat what's on your plate first, before moving on to dessert.  Everyone wants the cake in another receiver, but ignoring the fact we have a main course with the guys we have.  We have excellent running backs, an aged but still superstar receiver, a great tight end who is getting better every year, and now a growing defense with two stud DEs and a great group of DTs.  With this group, we can definitely go to the playoffs, and also could win it all.  Stop looking for your cake, and eat what's on your plate!



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:00 AM

LaFell is widely regarded as a good #2 WR.

The fact that people here refuse to understand that dies not makes it less accurate

 

Good miiiiiiight be stretching it just a bit.  I'd say "widely regarded as a solid #2 WR" might be a little more accurate :)  But I like him, I do think he's a good #2 WR for us, I just don't expect the average fans/media who pay no attention to the Panthers to recognize him as well as those of us who do appreciate him.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:03 AM

To be fair bringing in Hixon and Ginn is something Hurney wouldn't have pulled off. My concern is the future of the position not the present.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:03 AM

I'm not completely sold on Lafell but it's hard to get the ball when you have Cam, a handful of other running options, Smith, and Olsen to distribute the ball to.

 

This is a good point.  Only so many touches to go around.  Since '11 Lafell has been one of the more sure handed WRs in the division, if not the league.  But when every game Cam's gonna get his 5-8 rushes, the three headed monster RB corp is going to get (or should be getting, anyway) about 30 touches amongst them, Smitty's going to get about 10 passes his way, Olsen should be getting 5-10, there's only 60 minutes in a game.  Lafell makes the most of just about every time the ball goes his way.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:05 AM

and there's no guarantee that we'll be in a position in the draft to get the LT and WR we need next year.

 

people say that next year's WR class is much better than this year's was....but where is the guarantee that the best value pick when we draft will be one of those two next  year? 

 

we are getting backed into a corner where the choice is going to be stick to our guns and make weak attempts at trying to improve our WR corps and just be happy that we have the best RB corps in the league or reach for a WR in FA or the draft.

 

granted our choices were limited this year and i like what we did in the draft, but that doesn't change the future reality that is staring us right in the face. we improved the bottom of the corps by bringing in hixon and ginn, but who have we signed after this season? a WR in his mid 30s who will be making $7mil in 2014 and 2015 who has been flirting with the idea of retirement for several years. beyond that? nada.

 

and we keep making excuses for not doing anything substantive to make sure we are in good shape down the road and believing we'll be able to deal with it later.

You did a very good job of describing the problem but I  did not see what you would have done differently this year. From how I see it, who will be our future  number 1 WR as the problem not the number 2 spot.I did not see anyone in this draft or a FA that we could afford that fit the billet.The same could be said with OLT.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

Which team consistently wins the Superbowl, the teams with great offense or great defense?  There are plenty of examples of teams with great defense and decent offense that go deep in the playoffs and even win the superbowl.  Think Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Giants, etc.  Even the year the Saints won, it was the defense that put them over the top not offense.

We are building a top notch defense and in the long run that will do more for the offense than bringing in another wide receiver or tight end.  Sure if we had unlimited draft picks and unlimited cap space we could make everyone happy.  But we don't and have to pick our places to upgrade.  Gettleman has been with the Giants and knows their winning formula.  I think that we need to let him do his thing for a year or two and look at the results.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:12 AM

To be fair bringing in Hixon and Ginn is something Hurney wouldn't have pulled off. My concern is the future of the position not the present.

 

It's very interesting you brought that up, because it reminded me of Ginn being available last year, and Hurney could have brought him in then.  Had we brought him in last year, we wouldn't have drafted Joe Adams, and could have gotten Frank Alexander with that pick without having to trade away our third for this past draft.  I was one of the ones who was jumping up and down to sign Ginn last year.  Excellent points!



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:13 AM

Who doesn't know that we are going to have to replace Smith in the next few years?  Why do people keep bringing it up as if it is news??  But we have so many other pieces to fix and with limited cap and only 5 draft picks we were not going to fix it this year.  Next year there will be more guys out there in FA and we will have our full compliment of draft picks.  Anyone with a modicum of logic can see that next is a much better time to try and replace Smith than this year no matter how he plays or what happens.  People thinking we were going to do much of anything this year really are thinking with their emotions instead of their brains.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:17 AM

Should've traded for Megatron and none of this would be happening

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:24 AM

The way I seen Eric Davis struggle to explain the issues surrounding rookie camps and OTAs, I have zero respect for what he has to say.  He does not have talent to be an analyst as is the case with Jamie Dukes.  That "Say What" segment with Dukes is worse than 3 consecutive hours of SportsNation  All that NFLAM show does is cover teams that make big splashes in Free Agency and signs the percieved best offensive players in the offseason.  The Dolphins have been getting major coverage as well as the Eagles and the Chargers.  We all know these teams are going to be trash next year.  Davis said this morning that the Dolphins were going to give the Patriots trouble this year.  Why, cause they overpaid for a reciever and wasted their top draft pick?  This show  pisses me off as I really would like to see some decent football NFL coverage.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:28 AM

Who doesn't know that we are going to have to replace Smith in the next few years?  Why do people keep bringing it up as if it is news??  But we have so many other pieces to fix and with limited cap and only 5 draft picks we were not going to fix it this year.  Next year there will be more guys out there in FA and we will have our full compliment of draft picks.  Anyone with a modicum of logic can see that next is a much better time to try and replace Smith than this year no matter how he plays or what happens.  People thinking we were going to do much of anything this year really are thinking with their emotions instead of their brains.The plan shouldn't be to replace him. The plan should be get a good young WR on the team that can learn from Smitty.

The plan shouldn't be to replace him. The plan should be get a good young WR on the team that can learn from Steve Smith. You want Lafell showing him the ropes? I don't. Our future #1 WR would benefit a lot better if he were brought in BEFORE Steve Smith left the team.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:31 AM

The plan shouldn't be to replace him. The plan should be get a good young WR on the team that can learn from Steve Smith. You want Lafell showing him the ropes? I don't. Our future #1 WR would benefit a lot better if he were brought in BEFORE Steve Smith left the team.

 

Who did Smith credit for teaching him a bunch about being a receiver?  Ricky Proehl.  Who is the wide receivers coach?



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:36 AM

Who did Smith credit for teaching him a bunch about being a receiver?  Ricky Proehl.  Who is the wide receivers coach?

Coaches can only do so much. Players benefit from learning from players. Why do you think a good backup qb is so valuable to a young QB. Besides you just proved my point. He learned form Ricky Proehl when both were PLAYING.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:37 AM

We picked up 2 WRs and Ginn has special teams value, so it's like picking up 3 players at the price of 2.  

 

I suspect that if the WRs don't shake out in training camp there will be several decent vets cut by other teams because of cap space issues who would serve as a #2 or #3. 

 

 



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:42 AM

We're going to be fine. We are clearing up cap space like it is going out of style, we have weapons now so that we can compete. A lot of people are not giving Cam enough credit. Do you guys remember the last 7 or 8 games last season? That's the Cam I want to see from the very start next year.  Cam even said in the interview exactly what i wanted to hear from him.

 

Do we need another WR, most fuging definitely. But Gettleman is setting this team up for the future, right now. We are actually becoming a fiscally responsible team. The D-will restructure just proves that. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed a good to great receiver next year, as well as drafted one in the second.




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