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#31 Matthias

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:52 AM

Because his agent would laugh in your face, that's why.

 

Yet if you look at his contract, he is getting seriously underpaid.  I'm not sure if he will make a million dollars this year. (He was drafted in the sixth round I believe, and is playing under that contract)  If I was Hardy, I would opt for a pay increase, and trust the big contract will come the next year.  It should come the next year, if he has a fantastic year.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:55 AM

We Badly need to sign Hardy to an extension this year, because we have to do Cam next. If we get Hardy we could have the best Dline in the NFL for the next 5 years baring injury.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:58 AM

Yet if you look at his contract, he is getting seriously underpaid. I'm not sure if he will make a million dollars this year. (He was drafted in the sixth round I believe, and is playing under that contract) If I was Hardy, I would opt for a pay increase, and trust the big contract will come the next year. It should come the next year, if he has a fantastic year.

we can't do that because we have cam's contract coming up next year, he's with us for 3 more but next year is the first one where he can get restructured and with him the sooner we get him locked up long term the better.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:01 AM

We Badly need to sign Hardy to an extension this year, because we have to do Cam next. If we get Hardy we could have the best Dline in the NFL for the next 5 years baring injury.

 

Your right, it seem like some people are forgetting about Cam.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:03 AM

Yet if you look at his contract, he is getting seriously underpaid.  I'm not sure if he will make a million dollars this year. (He was drafted in the sixth round I believe, and is playing under that contract)  If I was Hardy, I would opt for a pay increase, and trust the big contract will come the next year.  It should come the next year, if he has a fantastic year.

Sign a one year extension now for marginally more money or roll the dice on a huge pay day at the end of the year.  Most guys would choose to roll the dice.  In our eyes, it's easy to look at the situation and say that the money will be there a year later.  Most people plan to work until they're 60+ years old.  A football player never knows how long he'll be able to work, but best case scenario they have to plan on being done by their mid-30s.  They have to get the money when they can.  Hardy and his agent are going to be looking for a long-term deal with significant guarantees, especially if he has another big season.  You don't see 10+ sack guys as young as Hardy is hit the open market very often.  I know this offseason there wasn't crazy FA spending, but there were still big money deals available for the good players still in their primes.  It was the aging vets, injury proned guys, and guys who just aren't that good who were getting surprised by the lack of money available.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:05 AM

we can't do that because we have cam's contract coming up next year, he's with us for 3 more but next year is the first one where he can get restructured and with him the sooner we get him locked up long term the better.

 

yep. much better to focus our efforts on getting cam re-signed and locked up than hardy. hardy is great, but replaceable (alexander).

 

cam? not so much.

 

cam is the priority...making sure we've got the cap space to lock that guy up....and making sure he's got a team he wants to stick with.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:08 AM

Thrift shopping?

 

Roll it over.



#38 Matthias

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:08 AM

Sign a one year extension now for marginally more money or roll the dice on a huge pay day at the end of the year.  Most guys would choose to roll the dice.  In our eyes, it's easy to look at the situation and say that the money will be there a year later.  Most people plan to work until they're 60+ years old.  A football player never knows how long he'll be able to work, but best case scenario they have to plan on being done by their mid-30s.  They have to get the money when they can.  Hardy and his agent are going to be looking for a long-term deal with significant guarantees, especially if he has another big season.  You don't see 10+ sack guys as young as Hardy is hit the open market very often.  I know this offseason there wasn't crazy FA spending, but there were still big money deals available for the good players still in their primes.  It was the aging vets, injury proned guys, and guys who just aren't that good who were getting surprised by the lack of money available.

 

I looked at Hardy's contract, and he will make a little over a million this year.  Yet I would still opt for any kind of short term pay increase, and then argue with two great years for a good long term deal.  I suppose my logic is good if Hardy wanted to stay a Panther and get the very best deal possible.  Of course if he is a restricted free agent next year, then the Panthers can wait to pay him. (Also we have the franchise tag option)  Considering all of that, there's no need to sign Hardy long term right now.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:10 AM

Arent we required to spend something like 95% of the cap? How close are we to that now?

#40 Matthias

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:12 AM

we can't do that because we have cam's contract coming up next year, he's with us for 3 more but next year is the first one where he can get restructured and with him the sooner we get him locked up long term the better.

 

Now concerning Cam's contract, most Panther fans expect him to be the highest payed QB in the league.  Yet he himself still have a lot to prove.  In order to give him a contract that makes him the highest paid in the league, he needs to at least win one superbowl.  As of right now, I would probably give him a contract similar to Drew Brees' contract when he first landed in New Orleans.  Making around 10-11 million dollars a year.  Now if he put up MVP type numbers, then of course we would give him a lot more, but Cam has to prove something this year before I give him highest paid in the league type of a contract.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:15 AM

One could, with a little manipulation, make a contract for Hardy that : Paid out big money, didn't affect out cap in a major way for a couple years, and allowed us to keep CJ until he is roughly 30. 

 

This would be pushing lots of cap hit onto the back end of the deal tho. 

 

Would be dangerous...



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

Now concerning Cam's contract, most Panther fans expect him to be the highest payed QB in the league.  Yet he himself still have a lot to prove.  In order to give him a contract that makes him the highest paid in the league, he needs to at least win one superbowl.  As of right now, I would probably give him a contract similar to Drew Brees' contract when he first landed in New Orleans.  Making around 10-11 million dollars a year.  Now if he put up MVP type numbers, then of course we would give him a lot more, but Cam has to prove something this year before I give him highest paid in the league type of a contract.

 

I'm not sure if this is how it works but I've also thought about it this way. Cam is the first true megastar in Carolina. The revenue that the Panthers make off him has to be astronomical.  I'm not sure if that somehow plays into his contract or not. But the Panthers will do everything to keep this guy here. I could be way of base here, but something I've thought about.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:20 AM

If Hardy is willing to sign now, sign him now, before the price goes up. 



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:23 AM

The obvious move is to extend Hardy. It's funny how people quickly forget what a solid front 7 can do for a team.

Mike Rucker, Kris Jenkins, Brenston Buckner, Julius Peppers. It was pick your poison. Mark Fields, Dan Morgan and Will Witherspoon were free to do what they do. With Jake we rode the D (no homo) to the Super Bowl.

Our current group, I whole heatedly think, will be better. Keep Kracken and Big Money on the ends, the monsters in the middle. That can and will be the best front four in the league in a couple years. It all starts with locking up Hardy.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

One could, with a little manipulation, make a contract for Hardy that : Paid out big money, didn't affect out cap in a major way for a couple years, and allowed us to keep CJ until he is roughly 30. 

 

This would be pushing lots of cap hit onto the back end of the deal tho. 

 

Would be dangerous...

 

 

I will flip my poo....




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