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Extending Greg Hardy now would be a big mistake.


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#46 Taro ∆

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:19 AM

What the hell is this, Troll? Take this middle-school wit and go dazzle some zit-faced cyber nerds with your intellect. Punk.


lolwut

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:40 AM

Yeah, let's wait and let the price go up.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:52 AM

lolwut

grow up--most everyone here is getting tired of ignoring people who get off insulting others behind a fake name and childish insults.  Shouldn't you be in school?  I hear its Taco day.



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:57 AM

With all of these QBs making north of 15 million a year, it is going to be interesting to see how other players are affected.

With Hardy, the Panthers have all the cards. With the franchise tag, NFL teams usually have the leverage. The exception are elite players, but Hardy isn't obviously in that category.

Solid franchises like the Pats and Steelers never let any single player get the upper hand, even if it means letting a guy walk. I hope the Panthers start acting like this.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:59 AM

Yeah, let's wait and let the price go up.

I agree, but I see both sides.  However, Hardy has been developing in one direction and he blossomed last year.  He is worth the gamble, if you ask me.  We get him at a 25% discount if we lock him in now.  Later, after a good season based on better DT play, we might have to franchise him and then try to lock him down.  Once you do that, the frachise tender comes into play.  We do not want to pay the franchise tender for a 4-3 DE.

 

By NOT re-signing him now, we are basically betting that he will not have a good 2013.  If he does, can we afford both Johnson and Hardy?  If he has a poor 2013, we could decide that Alexander is the better option and let Hardy walk.  So, we cannot sign him if he plays well and we will not sign him if he doesn't. 

 

What is it about Hardy that suggests he will not continue to develop?  When do smart people buy stock?  Same thing.  I am with ya, CatMan72.



#51 Taro ∆

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:02 AM

grow up--most everyone here is getting tired of ignoring people who get off insulting others behind a fake name and childish insults. Shouldn't you be in school? I hear its Taco day.


Should I post a thread about how we shouldn't sign Greg hardy? Would that be more mature?

And don't tell someone to grow up and then use a teenage level insult like "shouldn't you be in school brah?!"

#52 MHS831

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

With all of these QBs making north of 15 million a year, it is going to be interesting to see how other players are affected

It sure is.

 

I am guessing (if Cam plays well, and i think he will), that in a couple years, Cam will be in the $21 million range.  If we have 2 DEs making over $11 million each, that is a third of the cap. 

 

Fortunately for us, we can find the $$ at RB. 

 

I would not have a RB on a second contract.  Period.

 

I would put the non QB $$ into a #1 WR and a #1 CB, a LT and the DL.  I would also make sure my MLB is solid and paid, if he is a 3 down guy.  The next tier of salary would go toward a S, #2 WR, the rest of the OL. 

 

RBs would not be rich men on my team. 



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:12 AM

You have seen what can happen.  Look at Flacco's contract.  They gambled on not extending Flacco before the season and he had an epic performance and the Raven's had to seriously pay the man

Unless the coaches are planning on rotating Hardy out enough to not inflate his numbers, I do not see waiting a viable option.  With the improvements to the interior D-line, he is going to put up some good numbers again. 

 

But, it is all a gamble.  That is why they get paid the big bucks to make the decisions

 

 



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:15 AM

It is a tough gamble on not extending a player like Hardy going into his contract year.  As well as him and CJ finished last season and vastly improving our D-Line through the draft, the writing is on the wall for Hardy to only build on what he showed last year.  Signing him now could prove to be one of the best cap decisions we make if he can play to his potential for the next 2-3 years.  If we don't sign him and he blows up, we might have to break the bank to keep him long term or even franchise him.

 

I personally just don't see him taking a step back with the talent around him that just wasn't there last year...Star, Short, and Beason



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:15 AM

Everyone against extending Greg Hardy ask yourselves this. 

 

How many 24 year old 10+ sack guys EVER hit the free agent market?

Seeing as how Gettleman loves his hog mollie terms.. how do you think a 290lb DE who can play tackle fits into it.

Do you honestly believe that we can plug...lets say Frank Alexander in and get the same production?

With our secondary do you really want to subtract from the Defensive Line?

Do you think franchising a DE...should be around 12 million next year is good or bad for the cap situation?

 



#56 pantherclaw

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:17 AM

It's Gettleman's decision to make.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:19 AM

Should I post a thread about how we shouldn't sign Greg hardy? Would that be more mature?

And don't tell someone to grow up and then use a teenage level insult like "shouldn't you be in school brah?!"

Just don't read the thread--why do you think you have to be an ass?  Is that your calling in life, the only way you feel significant?.  After insulting the person who started a thread about the Panthers without contributing in a meaningful way,  I simply estimated that you are about 12.  Anyone older than that would not have found your post funny or insightful.  Basically, this is not a place for dicks to practice their craft. Personal attacks are not welcome here and you should be reprimanded or banned (that is like a time out) for doing it.  If you are a Panther fan, go the Falcons site and attack their fans, brah.  If not, grow up and contribute meaningful content.



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:42 AM

It's a tough decision, no doubt, but I think emotion is getting in the way of business.  Hardy is one of my favorite players on this team, he has it all.  Power, speed, athleticism, passion, motor, etc.  to be an elite DE.  Combined with the ability to slide all over the line, he makes himself a true Gettleman kind of defensive lineman, IMO.  That being said, you have Big Money on one side, two potential stud interior linemen, and Alexander (who was a value pick much like Hardy, though not as good) sitting in the trenches.  Hardy should blow up with the additions of our draft picks and a second season of Kuechly, and I'm sure he will get paid properly.... though not CJ money.  I just think of the Beason contract, the Morgan contract and many others where you toss the money out pre-season, and then are left licking your wounds if God forbid they get hurt, and hoping they return to form, while your money is tied up in a cloudy situation.  Getts just came in and cleared the books of albatross contracts like a ninja, and I think in year one of his reign, would be hesitant to put big money out there for what really is one year's worth of production.  That being said, I know Hardy was a first round talent that has lived up to what he was supposed to be on the field and I personally want him here for the long term terrorizing the NFC South.  I think Gettleman has this attitude/confidence/personality that players feel comfortable with and as long as we stay in touch with his agent ensuring that Hardy is wanted here, I think we will be fine.  It's business and players, on some level, understand that.  



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:52 AM

Everyone against extending Greg Hardy ask yourselves this. 

 

How many 24 year old 10+ sack guys EVER hit the free agent market?

Seeing as how Gettleman loves his hog mollie terms.. how do you think a 290lb DE who can play tackle fits into it.

Do you honestly believe that we can plug...lets say Frank Alexander in and get the same production?

With our secondary do you really want to subtract from the Defensive Line?

Do you think franchising a DE...should be around 12 million next year is good or bad for the cap situation?

 

i would be pissed if it ever got to a point where the franchise tag was needed.

 

my guess is, esp. with the market being the way it is, that gettleman would just let hardy walk if it got to that point.



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:52 AM

Just don't read the thread--why do you think you have to be an ass? Is that your calling in life, the only way you feel significant?. After insulting the person who started a thread about the Panthers without contributing in a meaningful way, I simply estimated that you are about 12. Anyone older than that would not have found your post funny or insightful. Basically, this is not a place for dicks to practice their craft. Personal attacks are not welcome here and you should be reprimanded or banned (that is like a time out) for doing it. If you are a Panther fan, go the Falcons site and attack their fans, brah. If not, grow up and contribute meaningful content.

First of all, 8 users pie'd that comment. Would you like to let them know that you think they're 12 too? Because I'm sure they would all really give a flying fug what you think.

Second, don't tell me what to do on an Internet message board lol, what are you a fugging kindergarten teacher? Wanna give me a timeout and a spanking because I called my classmate fat?

And do you honestly think you're contributing meaningful insight by trying to act superior over me right now and cluttering this thread with a lame ass Internet fight? How dumb can such a mature adult like yourself be??

It's way to fuggin early to be getting bitched at by someone who isn't paying me or giving me pussy, so why don't you go back to contributing your meaningful insight and taking life too seriously, k brah?

Stupid thread = stupid comment


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