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#121 Argus Plexus

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 07:03 AM

Disagree about CJ.  We were almost the fools to make Peppers the highest paid defender in NFL history, instead we put his backup in and he's outproduced Pep.  Cj has a big contract no doubt, but he has more production than Pep, is still young, has a very good motor and forces fumbles like a baws.

 

If CJ keeps his play level (and hell it could easily increase with the beef we've added on the inside) he's probably going to earn every penny available in his contract.

Honestly, though, that contract is gigantic. We're going to have to get those numbers down eventually, namely when Hardy, Cam, Luke, and Star are all on new deals.



#122 PantherFeez

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:42 AM

1. I hate Brett Jensen, his show sucks.. just wanted to throw that out there :)

 

2. it's a 6 year $50M (not 5/50) and he's made $11M up to this point.

 

3. All indications are that Beason loves the Panthers and would want to stay, just think he doesn't HAVE to take a cut right now because he has all the leverage. I'd expect a restructure or cut in 2014

 

4. If he's cut after this season -- he essentially played (up to) 21 of 48 games on a 3yr $30M contract. If he's a June 1 cut, it frees up $8 Million in cap for 2014, but pushes $5.3 Mil into 2015 as dead money



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Posted 20 May 2013 - 11:52 AM

No one know whats going on behind closed doors. Remember just a few weeks ago people were saying Dwill would not restructure so this is taken with a gain of salt. However if Im Beason and Im not sure how my body is going to hold up I doubt I would restructure this year ether. Someone was stupid enough to pay him that sum and he is going to get most of it if he is cut.



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Posted 20 May 2013 - 11:54 AM

1. I hate Brett Jensen, his show sucks.. just wanted to throw that out there :)

 

2. it's a 6 year $50M (not 5/50) and he's made $11M up to this point.

 

3. All indications are that Beason loves the Panthers and would want to stay, just think he doesn't HAVE to take a cut right now because he has all the leverage. I'd expect a restructure or cut in 2014

 

4. If he's cut after this season -- he essentially played (up to) 21 of 48 games on a 3yr $30M contract. If he's a June 1 cut, it frees up $8 Million in cap for 2014, but pushes $5.3 Mil into 2015 as dead money

 

There is a reason we just drafted a OLB. Gettle does not like players to have all the leverage and if Beason thinks he does then he is mistaken.



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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:23 PM

There is a reason we just drafted a OLB. Gettle does not like players to have all the leverage and if Beason thinks he does then he is mistaken.


This year....Beason has all the leverage.

Next year, Carolina will slowly start to be in a position to talk to him

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:26 PM

Who's Brett Jensen?


He is a former beat writer and horrible radio show host to balance the panther love fest from the Mac Attack on WFNZ.

He is skewed negatively toward the Panthers pretty much always and when justifying his points argues he is not a fan and sees it fairly.

Guy is more of a heavy drinking bar guy who was freaking out when he got a facebook account like two years ago and excited he had girls from the bar requesting his friendship if that says anything about him.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:35 PM

I know it is not a popular opinion but Beason is fairly young and had two injury riddled season where he rushed back bc of a commitment to play for the team.

Bad choice by him yes but the team let him play.

..bc I have achillies issues, I was following Beasons injury closely and think it is really the team's trainers-doctors and coaches fault ,who activated him in week 1, after he could not even put weight on his foot a couple of weeks prior.

I was suprised he was out there and as soon as I saw him fall i knew he snapped his achillies and was just puzzled why he was even out there.

Back to the point: Beason's pro bowl level play he provided earned him a nice contract that we have got little return for in the last few years. However he is not obligated to restructure, lose money he was promised by the team only to be cut in in the next two seasons if his injuries are chronic or they just decide to move on.

Teams are doling out these huge contracts(not just the Panthers) then restructuing them the next season which is not in good faith. So I cannot fault Beason for not giving up money he was promised, Earned prior when he has zero promise to be on the team.

Fans expecting players to help a teams financial future by giving up the Player's own financial future is unrealistic..unless you are Tom Brady or someone with income streams outside of football this is the only contract that Beason will probally have till retirement..as he will be a vet minimum very shortly.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:36 PM

There is a reason we just drafted a OLB. Gettle does not like players to have all the leverage and if Beason thinks he does then he is mistaken.

 

Beason, as of right now, has all the leverage -- and next year he doesn't
 

2013: $5.5M in salary and workout bonus (you save this if he's cut now) vs. $12M signing bonuses to account for. 2013 cap hit goes from $9.25M to $12M (you just payed Beas essentially 12M to take a hike) -- how does he not have the leverage?

 

2014: $6.75M in salary and workout bonus (saved when cut) vs $8M signing bonus to account for. 2013 cap hit (with a June 1) goes from $10.75M to $2.67M and pushes $5.3M in dead money to 2015. 

 

2014's situation with Beas essentially becomes the same situation we saw with DWill -- Getts says "We have enough room to make you expendable, and your contract just doesn't work for us. We are offering you a lower salary and will give you instant bonus money now for your cooperation. However, this is our plan -If you don't want to stay in Charlotte and be a team player, then our plan to cut you with a June 1 designation. We hope things can work out for you to stay, if not, then thank you for playing" 

 

Yet another reason -- Getts doesn't know how well Beas will perform this year or in the future. Why would Getts restructure him now? Again, restructuring gives a player more money that the team will have to chew up when they decide to cut Beas. Beas's already 12M insta-cap-hit -- I don't see Getts adding to that without a good year in 2013



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Posted 20 May 2013 - 01:53 PM

Honestly, though, that contract is gigantic. We're going to have to get those numbers down eventually, namely when Hardy, Cam, Luke, and Star are all on new deals.

 

Calm down buddy.  As optimistic I as I am about Star he has yet to play a down in the NFL.  We have no idea what his production levels will be, or his resilience to injury.  Even if he's an animal off the bat, we've got 3-4 years to work him on his rookie contract.

 

We currently have about 9 mil in cap space.  Next year Beason will either be playing at a severely reduced price or be off the team completely, freeing up another 8+ mil.  Within 2 years we will be rid of 1-2 of our backs (between stu, dwill and tolbert).  Salary cap should also be increasing by a fairly significant margin in a year or two.  Cam, Luke and Hardy will be taken care of, all three are simply too important to allow to walk.



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:20 AM

This year....Beason has all the leverage.

Next year, Carolina will slowly start to be in a position to talk to him


That's not leverage, that's a one year contract. Same as Dwill its restructure or your gone next year.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:31 AM

Beason, as of right now, has all the leverage -- and next year he doesn't

2013: $5.5M in salary and workout bonus (you save this if he's cut now) vs. $12M signing bonuses to account for. 2013 cap hit goes from $9.25M to $12M (you just payed Beas essentially 12M to take a hike) -- how does he not have the leverage?

2014: $6.75M in salary and workout bonus (saved when cut) vs $8M signing bonus to account for. 2013 cap hit (with a June 1) goes from $10.75M to $2.67M and pushes $5.3M in dead money to 2015.

2014's situation with Beas essentially becomes the same situation we saw with DWill -- Getts says "We have enough room to make you expendable, and your contract just doesn't work for us. We are offering you a lower salary and will give you instant bonus money now for your cooperation. However, this is our plan -If you don't want to stay in Charlotte and be a team player, then our plan to cut you with a June 1 designation. We hope things can work out for you to stay, if not, then thank you for playing"

Yet another reason -- Getts doesn't know how well Beas will perform this year or in the future. Why would Getts restructure him now? Again, restructuring gives a player more money that the team will have to chew up when they decide to cut Beas. Beas's already 12M insta-cap-hit -- I don't see Getts adding to that without a good year in 2013


Leverage is based on if your willing to cut a player or not. Dwill,Gross, and Kalil all had what you are calling leverage yet took pay cuts because they want to play. Anderson and Gamble on the other hand did not, but guess what, Gamble is still getting paid. Oh and guess what we are still paying Jake Delhomme for being a QB.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:26 AM

Leverage is based on if your willing to cut a player or not. Dwill,Gross, and Kalil all had what you are calling leverage yet took pay cuts because they want to play. Anderson and Gamble on the other hand did not, but guess what, Gamble is still getting paid. Oh and guess what we are still paying Jake Delhomme for being a QB.

1.) Kalil restructured to help the team out by taking a pay raise converting this years 4M in salary to a 5M bonus that's spread over years of his contract. Not sure why you brought him up -- but ok.

 

2.) About 2 months ago, Person posted what everyone else saw with the Panther's numbers -- the ability to cut DWIll and Gross. He even out right said Gross could be cut, and DWill would be a June 1st cut. Gross 2013 numbers prior to restructure: 8.7M with 5M dead money - saves 3.7M if cut. Where is Gross's leverage? And if he had leverage, why is he taking a paycut? DWill's numbers were so that he was able to be cut with a June 1 designation. Anderson's numbers saved 200k & Gamble was going to count 10.75M against the cap, so we freed up 7.75M by cutting him.

 

3.) Delhomme has no more dead money against our cap, so what are you talking about?

 

I just don't see your point. The numbers are all there, you just have to look at them

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:03 PM

you know, I remember reading that Beason stated he did not want to give up mid-linman position to Luke...that coupled with this and I say just cut him ...we can always use cap dollars...maybe even bring back Applewhite and DAMNIT MAN I wish like hell we could pry Travon A. from the RAMS




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