Jump to content


Photo
* * * * * 1 votes

Hornets NBA Draft News Thread


  • Please log in to reply
237 replies to this topic

#196 koolkatluke

koolkatluke

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,847 posts
  • LocationNonya

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:50 PM

I don't get the infatuation with Biz from the Bobcat/Hornets fans here. I think Ewing will be able to help him but I seriously doubt he will ever develop into a guy that will average more than 9-10 points a game. They need to get him to become that defensive enforcer that can get you 10-11 rebounds, 2 blocks and clog up the middle. Get him to the point to where a smaller player is seriously going to regret driving inside. At this point in his career, and YES I KNOW HE IS RAW, he looks like a reach and borderline bad pick at #7. 

 

Soooo.....like I said I'm not sold on any of the big guys in this draft but I can understand fully if the Horcats pick a guy like Zeller or Len. It truly fills a need. With that being said, true "centers" in the NBA are like heavyweights in boxing. It's a dying breed and it ain't coming back. Roy Hibbert is the closest thing to a true center in the NBA and he basically had his way with Chris Bosh in the playoffs and the Pacers still lost. 

 

I think Biz is a true PF and would reach his full potential playing that position. If we had a person who could play center he would already be there.



#197 CarolinaCoolin

CarolinaCoolin

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,412 posts
  • LocationMaryland

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:51 PM

I didn't realize Magic Johnson was a great talent evaluator...

Don't use that argument that he was a great player so he know's one when he see's one. If that was the case then every player MJ drafted should be an all-star.


Cause discrediting a guy who has infinitely more basketball knowledge and eye for talent then you is the way to go. Good job

#198 CarolinaCoolin

CarolinaCoolin

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,412 posts
  • LocationMaryland

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:52 PM

So because Magic says Vic is like MJ. We should expect Vic to avg. 28.2 points a game his rookie season right??



Obviously you don't read to well.

#199 4Corners

4Corners

    Trill Laimbeer

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,358 posts
  • Location704

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:52 PM

I'm just starting to have my doubts about Biz being able to ever be a full time starter at the NBA. He may be better suited as a spot starter and an enforcer off the bench who hopefully can give you a solid 20 minutes of rebounding and defense. If he gets you more than 9 points occasionally than that's just an added bonus. 



#200 koolkatluke

koolkatluke

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,847 posts
  • LocationNonya

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

How so?

 

Both are offensively challenge neither are going to be a teams leading scorer.



#201 koolkatluke

koolkatluke

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,847 posts
  • LocationNonya

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:54 PM

Obviously you don't read to well.

 

No I did read what you type. I'm just dogging you for even bringing up that dumb ass comparison.

 

Why the fug even say that if you don't believe it?



#202 CarolinaPanthers8789

CarolinaPanthers8789

    Alexander SEMIN!!! FTW

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 19,975 posts
  • LocationNorth Carolina/Virginia

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:56 PM

I feel like I did all that research on Oladipo for people just to ignore... should I link it again...

 

Here ya go...

 

Oladipo is a great competitor, a fierce defender, and a very good slasher.

If this sounds familiar, it is; because this is what most of us were saying about MKG last year before and after the draft.

I actually wanted MKG and thought that those traits that I mentioned above would make up for the fact that he couldn't shoot worth a lick.

So as I address Oladipo, I am going to address him as a shooting guard because that's the position he would play if he were selected by the BuzzCats. 

One thing that every shooting guard needs is an outside shot. So I'm strictly going to limit my assessment of Oladipo based on his outside shot (at first).

Oladipo shot 44% from the three point line, which is great on paper. However, Oladipo only averaged 1.9 three point shots per game meaning that if he made at least one three point shot per game; his average would not fluctuate.

To put this in perspective, the other top shooting guard in the draft: Ben McLemore averaged 4.7 three point shots per game while making 42% of his three point shots.

If you want to dig even further, Oladipo only recorded three games (out of 36) where he recorded multiple three point buckets and the most three pointers he ever made in a single game was two. In comparison, Ben McLemore recorded 17 games (out of 34, half) where he recorded multiple three point buckets including six games where he recorded 4 three point baskets or more (McLemore also had two games where he recorded 6 three point baskets).

Oladipo is certainly a very good player, after all his average on his two point field goals is an astonishing 64% on 6.6 two point field goal attempts per game. Now if a common guy like me can figure out that Oladipo is flat out ridiculous from two point range, don't you think that NBA coaches will find that out as well? I am almost willing to guarantee you that Oladipo will be picked up at the three point line in a man-to-man defense and played with a two foot cushion so that he is forced to take the three point shot or pass the ball. Remember NBA shooting guards aren't going to be as slow of reactors to Oladipo's quick drives and slashes as NCAA shooting guards are.

Now I feel like some of you might say, "defenders are just going to play McLemore at the three point line," so I decided to look into the topic. After looking at all the shooting guards that are figured to be drafted (McLemore, Oladipo, McCollum, Caldwell-Pope, Hardaway Jr, Franklin, Crabbe, Jackson, Ledo, Green, Goodwin, Abrines, Nedovic, and Young), McLemore's 55.3% on 6.1 field one goal attempts per game is second to only Oladipo (or third to Albrines depending on how you view his stats).

I went a head and read some columns and watched a few games that I had DVR'd at home (I always DVR big games) to find out that though McLemore does struggle on the single dribble and shoot technique, he is actually pretty good at creating his own shot and driving to the hole. This assessment leads me to believe that defenders will have to play McLemore as a true all-around shooting guard or he will burn them.

Finally McLemore averaged a whole 10.8 field goal attempts per game to Victor Oladipo's 8.4 field goal attempts per game. This leads me to believe that McLemore has no problem being the go-to-guy as he averages nearly 11 shots per game. If you actually do the math, (4.7 three point attempts plus 6.1 two point attempts) you can see that McLemore averages around 26 points worth of shots per game. On the contrary, it looks like Oladipo does not have a problem deferring a shot to a teammate, which isn't a bad thing if he is playing on a team like OKC. However, with a team like the BuzzCats that could potentially have Biyombo and MKG out on the floor at the same time, you don't want another player on the court that doesn't mind passing up the ball or can't get off a three point jumper at the end of the game.

So the question is, do you want to wait three to four years for Oladipo to develop a three point jumper (that's about the time frame that Henderson developed his), and could potentially be a Dwayne Wade type of player? Or do you want McLemore, who will get you 15 points night in and night out; while reminding you of a young Ray Allen?

I hope this helped some of you guys out.

By the way, I'm an Alex Len guy; mainly because I really like Henderson and I'm desperate for a dominant big man. I just did this for research purposes. Maybe I can put it in a column at school for my coaching stats class if you guys think it's good enough.

 



#203 koolkatluke

koolkatluke

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,847 posts
  • LocationNonya

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:57 PM

Cause discrediting a guy who has infinitely more basketball knowledge and eye for talent then you is the way to go. Good job

 

You don't even believe that comparison yourself. 

 

Vic has been compare to Tony Allen, MJ, Wade all totally different players.

 

I've never heard this before on any player.



#204 CarolinaCoolin

CarolinaCoolin

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,412 posts
  • LocationMaryland

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:58 PM

No I did read what you type. I'm just dogging you for even bringing up that dumb ass comparison.

Why the fug even say that if you don't believe it?


I said as good. No one can ever be as good as mj but even if you are half as good as mj you are still pretty fuging good. And to be quite honest I'd go with magics views on a player then some guy on a Internet forum. How long have you been a HC? How many years of experience do you have directly in the game? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say not as much a magic Johnson.

#205 4Corners

4Corners

    Trill Laimbeer

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,358 posts
  • Location704

Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:59 PM

Both are offensively challenge neither are going to be a teams leading scorer.

 

Oladipo isn't offensively challenged at all. I'm starting to slowly find out which posters watch college basketball games that don't have UNC or Duke playing in them. 

 

Oladipo is the best all around prospect in the draft. He may never average more than 15 a game and he isn't a true scorer, but I can promise you he works hard on both ends of the court and will contribute immediately next season. Is he a franchise player like I think Burke is? No. But he is going to be a very solid NBA player. 

 

Would you rather roll the dice on a guy like Len, Noel, Zeller, McLemore...or draft a guy who will be able to start and contribute with solid effort and steady improvement yearly? 



#206 CarolinaCoolin

CarolinaCoolin

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,412 posts
  • LocationMaryland

Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:01 PM

Oladipo isn't offensively challenged at all. I'm starting to slowly find out which posters watch college basketball games that don't have UNC or Duke playing in them.

Oladipo is the best all around prospect in the draft. He may never average more than 15 a game and he isn't a true scorer, but I can promise you he works hard on both ends of the court and will contribute immediately next season. Is he a franchise player like I think Burke is? No. But he is going to be a very solid NBA player.

Would you rather roll the dice on a guy like Len, Noel, Zeller, McLemore...or draft a guy who will be able to start and contribute with solid effort and steady improvement yearly?


Guarantee Vic will show improvement every year. He's always in the gym and has great character, the ability to lead and has great work ethic.

#207 koolkatluke

koolkatluke

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,847 posts
  • LocationNonya

Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:01 PM

I'm just starting to have my doubts about Biz being able to ever be a full time starter at the NBA. He may be better suited as a spot starter and an enforcer off the bench who hopefully can give you a solid 20 minutes of rebounding and defense. If he gets you more than 9 points occasionally than that's just an added bonus. 

 

I can't dispute that but he's only 20 and has improved every year. While being put in a position © where he is usually facing a mismatch. I would really like to see him at his natural position before we make a judgment on him.
 



#208 4Corners

4Corners

    Trill Laimbeer

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,358 posts
  • Location704

Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:01 PM

McLemore is another guy that I'm not sold on, but if they drafted him I could understand it and probably not be too mad about it. 

 

He def looks like he didn't give maximum effort at times last year, and there are some questions about his maturity, but you can't deny his size and scoring potential. 



#209 koolkatluke

koolkatluke

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,847 posts
  • LocationNonya

Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:04 PM

I said as good. No one can ever be as good as mj but even if you are half as good as mj you are still pretty fuging good. And to be quite honest I'd go with magics views on a player then some guy on a Internet forum. How long have you been a HC? How many years of experience do you have directly in the game? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say not as much a magic Johnson.

 

So bet me $50 dollars that he avg. 14 pts a game. Since he is half as good he should avg. half of MJ totals. I say he barely avg. 10.0 points a game. Do you take the bet?
 



#210 CarolinaPanthers8789

CarolinaPanthers8789

    Alexander SEMIN!!! FTW

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 19,975 posts
  • LocationNorth Carolina/Virginia

Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:04 PM

I'm willing to bet that the same people that don't want to take a chance on Len, McLemore also didn't want to draft Newton...

 

In a draft that doesn't have a sure fire number one, you draft on potential... simple as that.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users