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#46 4Corners

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 09:07 AM

Have to take Burke if he's there? Come on he's not that much of a can't miss prospect where we have to trade Kemba and start over at the PG position. Burke has a few limitations and not worth being set back another year.

 

this is my opinion. I watch a lot of college hoops and IMHO Burke is probably the only can't miss prospect than Oladipo. Bennett is going to be a good forward in the NBA but he's also going to need some time to develop and good guard play to be an impact player. 

 

Burke can do everything on the court, can carry a team, and wants the ball when it matters most. 

 

I agree w/ you though about setting the team back another year because if they draft him they are going to have move Kemba and drafting Burke wouldn't fill a true hole we have on our roster. It's one of those slippery situations that I hope he's there when we pick but I also hope he isn't because I like Kemba. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 09:40 AM

I'd endorse Oladipo. As good a pick as your going to get in this draft. I'd like to trade back and get Alex Len also.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:06 AM

In curious to what the consensus is from people like myself who watch ACC hoops religiously on Len.

Also - to the people who want Len, do y'all watch ACC ball?

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:58 AM

Just caught this on twitter:

 

Chad Ford: CLT could swap 4pick for Cousins. I think SAC would want two 1stRndrs minimum. Too high a price? (INSIDER) http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/9321266/2013-nba-draft-nerlens-noel-remains-front-runner-top-pick-other-draft-rumors 

 

 

Cousins would fill a huge hole in our lineup for the next 10 years here. However, we would not have a DC in this draft and let's be honest here about Cousins, he doesn't appear to be a stand up citizen. He's a guy that would need a solid, mature locker room which is something we don't have. 

 

Too risky of a move for us, IMHO. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:03 PM

In curious to what the consensus is from people like myself who watch ACC hoops religiously on Len.

Also - to the people who want Len, do y'all watch ACC ball?

 

Yeah I watch plenty of college ball and a few Maryland games specifically this year just to watch Len.  He is not a spectacular player or the type who makes flashy plays, and was never a go to option on offense (partly because Maryland's offense didnt prioritize getting him the ball, partly because he didnt post up and demand it).

 

But when you actually watch what he is actually doing out on the court, he is very solid fundamentally.  He moves without the ball on offense, sets good picks, boxes out every time, and provides decent spacing with his improving midrange jumper.  When he actually gets the ball in the paint he can score with both hands, so even though his post game was rarely used at Maryland I think it can improve in the NBA

 

Defensively, he wont put up gaudy block numbers but he has improved a lot since his freshman year.  He doesnt bite on pump fakes and uses his size and length to challenge shots without fouling (think Marc Gasol defense and not Serge Ibaka).  He is surprisingly quick on the perimeter for his size as well, and should be a decent pick and roll defender at the next level. 

 

The fact of the matter is that centers with legit size and fundamentals are incredibly valuable in the NBA because there just arent many of them.  The reasons people are down on Len are the same reasons people were down on Roy Hibbert when he came out of GT- people wondered why he didnt dominate in college where there are few true centers to match up with him. 

 

A big reason Hibbert and Len didnt dominate in college is because thats just not what the college game is about.  Unless you play for a team with really good spacing and 3 point shooters, there is just not much room in the paint in most college games and teams will collapse on the big guy when he gets the ball.  I cant even remember the last true center to dominate in college ball



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

Len has potential and showed flashes...but I want no part of him.  Too soft and no nasty streak IMO.  If I'm drafting a project, I at least want to see effort and demanding the ball...not shying away while his teammates bomb 3's.

 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:17 PM

Len has potential and showed flashes...but I want no part of him.  Too soft and no nasty streak IMO.  If I'm drafting a project, I at least want to see effort and demanding the ball...not shying away while his teammates bomb 3's.

 

Why do you think Len is soft?  I never saw him dominated by another big guy.  I remember Plumlee had a couple good games against UM, but considering they beat Duke twice I dont know how big a deal that was

 

Passive on offense I could see, but I've never seen him look soft on D



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:27 PM

Why do you think Len is soft?  I never saw him dominated by another big guy.  I remember Plumlee had a couple good games against UM, but considering they beat Duke twice I dont know how big a deal that was

 

Passive on offense I could see, but I've never seen him look soft on D

 

Should've said that more clearly, meant on offense mainly.  And most of that comes from him not demanding the ball or being timid in the poo offense Maryland ran. 

 

Little snippet from a scouting report that I agree with...

 

"Len often appears calm and collected on the court, perhaps to a fault, as his toughness and passion for the game are often among the main questions raised about him. His passivity was well-publicized during his freshman season, when he struggled to adapt to a new way of life in the United States. By his sophomore season, Len had mastered English and appeared far more comfortable with his teammates and reporters in the locker room. His on-court demeanor didn't change much, but he frequently flashed some fire, pumping his fists and shouting into the crowd on occasions when he or one of his teammates made a big play. As for his toughness, Len doesn't really seek out contact on either end of the floor, but he doesn't back down from it either. He also rarely looks to the officials for help on the offensive end, where's he undoubtedly a finesse player, more interested in using his quickness and length to score rather than banging down low."

 

The part I highlighted very well may have been the main reason, and he did improve this last season. I just don't get that excited about him as a prospect.  His demeanor almost reminds me of Darko Milicic or something. Too many foreign busts for every Gasol or Dirk out there to use another high draft pick on a project when Biz is already on the roster.  Biz and Len on the court at the same time could be great in a few years...but the percentages lean more towards it being a train wreck. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:32 PM

Kemba 

Wiggins

MKG

Bennett

FA

 

 

yourrrr charlottttte hornets!



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:44 PM

[quote name="Crim" post="2245155" timestamp="1369859529"]

Kemba
Wiggins
MKG
Bennett
FA


I'd rather have randle

Kemba
Oladipo/Henderson
Mkg
Randle
FA/ biz

#56 Johnny Kilroy

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:57 PM

I don't know if I'd rather have Randle than Wiggins. But I'd definitely rather have Oladipo and Randle over Wiggins and Bennett.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:35 PM

I don't know if I'd rather have Randle than Wiggins. But I'd definitely rather have Oladipo and Randle over Wiggins and Bennett.

 

No, no, no!!!

 

Wiggins + Bennett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oladipo + Randle

 

Wiggins is a lot better than Oladipo.

Bennett and Randle are very similar.

We'd be a top 10 team if we landed both Wiggins and Bennett to Kemba, MKG, and Biz.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:37 PM

Victor Oladipo
 

 

 

Surprise there is no "Bennett Bandwagon" thread, so posting this on here:

 

 

 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:38 PM

[quote name="Crim" post="2245155" timestamp="1369859529"]

Kemba
Wiggins
MKG
Bennett
FA


I'd rather have randle

Kemba
Oladipo/Henderson
Mkg
Randle
FA/ biz

 

Disagree.

 



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:37 AM

Should've said that more clearly, meant on offense mainly.  And most of that comes from him not demanding the ball or being timid in the poo offense Maryland ran. 

 

Little snippet from a scouting report that I agree with...

 

"Len often appears calm and collected on the court, perhaps to a fault, as his toughness and passion for the game are often among the main questions raised about him. His passivity was well-publicized during his freshman season, when he struggled to adapt to a new way of life in the United States. By his sophomore season, Len had mastered English and appeared far more comfortable with his teammates and reporters in the locker room. His on-court demeanor didn't change much, but he frequently flashed some fire, pumping his fists and shouting into the crowd on occasions when he or one of his teammates made a big play. As for his toughness, Len doesn't really seek out contact on either end of the floor, but he doesn't back down from it either. He also rarely looks to the officials for help on the offensive end, where's he undoubtedly a finesse player, more interested in using his quickness and length to score rather than banging down low."

 

The part I highlighted very well may have been the main reason, and he did improve this last season. I just don't get that excited about him as a prospect.  His demeanor almost reminds me of Darko Milicic or something. Too many foreign busts for every Gasol or Dirk out there to use another high draft pick on a project when Biz is already on the roster.  Biz and Len on the court at the same time could be great in a few years...but the percentages lean more towards it being a train wreck. 

 

I think offensively he suffered from bad Guard play. UM guards seem like they would have more TO then assist. If any can make a good entry pass he would have avg, 5 more points a game. Big men need guards to shine on offense.

 

Name me a great Bigman in college or Pro without a good PG?

 




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