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#76 sanjay_rajput

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:36 PM

Cam's best friend is going to be the running game........... When defense has to respect the run the game......its going to open the passing game, his ability to scramble & design read option......



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:36 PM

Under center. Balanced offense to the tune of 25 runs with about 30+ passes given the defense we should score around 24+ points a game but I'm also talking out of my ass so who knows. I'd like to see that formula though accounting for variable change of course

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

Under center. Balanced offense to the tune of 25 runs with about 30+ passes given the defense we should score around 24+ points a game but I'm also talking out of my ass so who knows. I'd like to see that formula though accounting for variable change of course


I think you are close to what Rivera and Co. want to do. About 55-45 pass to run ratio. At least in best case scenarios. Individual situations will dictate more of what we run. But as a base, we want to be more balanced that's for sure.

I also agree that Cam under center is the scarier prospect for Defenses. But I can see us using multiple sets and formations to disguise our intentions. Gonna be tough waiting for the season with all these questions floating around.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:11 PM

Defenses are too good .....you have to be able to take what the defenses are giving.Having said that we have the weapons to run the ball but need to upgrade the right side of our line to really be dominant.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:15 PM

Nice spin. 161 hits, is still 161 hits. No rarely about it. I do like how he has that uncanny ability to extend a play to the very limit then dive forward for a few extra yards. However, those are less common than him actually being tackled.

Pocket is a dangerous place, for any QB. You can't make it seem like it is more precarious for Cam.

The scariest player on our O is indeed Cam. I just feel he has already proven it. The threat alone should be enough to make a D hesitate. That little window is where we need to exploit Cam's ability. But hey, maybe it's just me.

If we run the ball effectively. Our RBs should avg close to 5ypc. With the same carries as last year, that is an additional 200 yards or so. Take those away from Cam, and I am good. 500 yards for Cam is optimal in my book.

Throw for around 4000, and run for around 500. That sounds like a very good season from Cam. Scrambles mostly, but throw in a few designed runs to keep the D honest. Pretty much how we did things at the end of the year.

 

This is how I see it as well. 

 

In an optimal environment, Cam would throw for 4000-4500 yds, and run for 500-700 (less rushing yds with more passing yds), off mostly wide open scrambles, broken plays, and a few designed runs that fool the defense. 

 

The less pounding Cam takes (both behind the LOS and on short yardage inside runs), the better. 

 

Agreed!



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:25 PM

This is how I see it as well. 
 
In an optimal environment, Cam would throw for 4000-4500 yds, and run for 500-700 (less rushing yds with more passing yds), off mostly wide open scrambles, broken plays, and a few designed runs that fool the defense. 
 
Agreed!


Agreed indeed!

If DWill, Stewy, and Tolbert can get their 300+ carries. And can avg. say, close to 5ypc, with Cam's 500-700 thrown in. That is over 2000 yards. If Cam can throw for 4000+ yards. That my friend is an awful lot of Offense.

Funny thing is, we should, I say should, be able to achieve that. I really see no reason not to be excited over what could transpire this year.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:00 PM

Agreed indeed!

If DWill, Stewy, and Tolbert can get their 300+ carries. And can avg. say, close to 5ypc, with Cam's 500-700 thrown in. That is over 2000 yards. If Cam can throw for 4000+ yards. That my friend is an awful lot of Offense.

Funny thing is, we should, I say should, be able to achieve that. I really see no reason not to be excited over what could transpire this year.

 

The reason why you are so correct, is cause that's what Cam and the offense essentially did in 2011. 

 

The Panthers had 6000+ yards total offense that year, with cam throwing for almost 4200, rushing for 700, with the team rushing for a total of 2100. 

 

Now if Cam could throw the same, or a few more hundred yards, while reducing or keeping his rushing between 500-700--at most, with Stew, Tolbert and D'Angelo rushing for 1500, and receiving/catching 750-1000, that would be ideal!



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:06 PM

All I want is for J-Stew, D-Will and Tolbert to be our RBs.

 

I want balance, and a ton of play-action passes. I don't want Cam being a RB this year.

 

I don't mind Cam running.  I just don't like the plays where he is having to pick up the first down.  Cam should run all he wants as long as he is not taking punishment doing it.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:10 PM

The reason why you are so correct, is cause that's what Cam and the offense essentially did in 2011. 
 
The Panthers had 6000+ yards total offense that year, with cam throwing for almost 4200, rushing for 700, with the team rushing for a total of 2100. 
 
Now if Cam could throw the same, or a few more hundred yards, while reducing or keeping his rushing between 500-700--at most, with Stew, Tolbert and D'Angelo rushing for 1500, and receiving/catching 750-1000, that would be ideal!


You bring up a great point. RB catching the ball. I really think that is something they plan on building upon. DWill, Stewy, and Tolbert only combined for about 600 yards. I too expect that number to rise significantly. Mainly because Cam has learned to take the dreaded checkdown.

I truly expect Cam to improve his comp% which will provide more touches to spread around. Especially the RBs. Which leads me to Barner. Can we incorporate him into the Offense? Is he capable of being a part? I have to admit the kid has me intrigued.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:15 PM

I don't mind Cam running.  I just don't like the plays where he is having to pick up the first down.  Cam should run all he wants as long as he is not taking punishment doing it.


Actually, that play they run in short yardage is almost impossible to stop. (Not quite read option, not quite true option) I don't want that play taken out. But, I do agree that his carries need to be limited. Not done away with by any stretch. Just limit the extra hits those extra runs bring.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:20 PM

People try that ground and pound poo to mask the weakness of the O-line or QB. It looks like our O-line thrives on Cam bailing them out. I don't think they can handle any grounding and pounding. We're more fitted for a short passing offense.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:37 PM

Foxball + Cam =playoffs

 

Fox is a coxsuckaire....(best french accent)



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:43 PM

I haven't read through the whole thread, so I may be repeating.

 

I don't mind a "conservative" offense, but I don't want one that's predictable and stagnant like what we did under Fox. If you line up to run and they have 9 in the box...check out of it.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:44 PM

People try that ground and pound poo to mask the weakness of the O-line or QB. It looks like our O-line thrives on Cam bailing them out. I don't think they can handle any grounding and pounding. We're more fitted for a short passing offense.

 

That would be a traditional WCO and that's not what we're "fitted" for.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

fuging Panther fans...  I swear to god.




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