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NBA Finals Thread - (2) San Antonio Spurs vs. (1) Miami Heat

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I love watching the Lebron fanboys here stumble over themselves in damage control mode.

 

Great first game, the Heat better remember real quick that the Spurs are not the Pacers.

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I love watching the Lebron fanboys here stumble over themselves in damage control mode.

Great first game, the Heat better remember real quick that the Spurs are not the Pacers.

Kind of an ironic post when you are a guy who will be one of the first to defend Cam from similar criticism. (I.e it's always his fault no matter what his performance is in a loss).

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Really fun game, good god that shot by Parker to clinch it was clutch as fug. 

 

Chris Bosh needs to realize that if the Spurs are repeatedly giving you wide open 3 point looks, its because they want you to take them.  Lebron needs to take more shots, he shouldnt be sharing shots equally with Wade and Bosh, especially in the 4th

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I think the Heat are suffering from what the old Bulls did with Jordan.  Phil Jackson said in his book that the team would just stand around and wait for Jordan to do something, instead of getting into the game on their own level.  Granted, it didn't even matter because MJ carried them anyway and I don't remember Pippen disappearing like Bosh, but the Heat just stand around waiting on Lebron.   It's even worse for Heat, considering Bosh used be a 20-25ppg player and 10 boards and now he's disappearing and scoring the same points that Ray Allen is off the bench and Wade is a shell of his former self and would rather kick/cheap shot people that get the best of him.  Their big 3 scored a combined what, like 40 or so points last night?  You won't beat the Spurs like that.

 

Lebron is playing to the level you expect him too, but his team, not so much.  I expect him to leave eventually, especially if they lose this series.

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Kind of an ironic post when you are a guy who will be one of the first to defend Cam from similar criticism. (I.e it's always his fault no matter what his performance is in a loss).

What, lol. Not even remotely the same circumstances.

The Heat are supposed to be a "dynasty", and Lebron is supposed to be the "greatest ever".

So you're telling me criticism against that team and all it's players is unfounded?

Hey it was Lebron saying "not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7" yada yada.

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What, lol. Not even remotely the same circumstances.

The Heat are supposed to be a "dynasty", and Lebron is supposed to be the "greatest ever".

So you're telling me criticism against that team and all it's players is unfounded?

Hey it was Lebron saying "not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7" yada yada.

Criticism against the team, sure. Criticising a guy who clearly played a good game, was not the reason his team lost and calling anyone who sees is that way as a "fanboy", no.

As far as calling LeBron the greatest (assuming you're referring to all time), you're pretty much creating a strawman.

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Win or lose this series, I forsee major changes coming to this Heat team this offseason. D-Wade has fallen off faster than any star I can remember, and Bosh just seems like an odd-ball that doesn't fit their scheme well 

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James shouldn't have to have his shot working to make a significant scoring impact. Drive to the rack, draw fouls - that's one of the reasons he is so great his ability to draw fouls and get to the charity stripe

 

None of it last night though

 

 

They weren't letting him drive.

 

First off Leonard is fast and has a 7 footer 3.75 inch wingspan. On top of that when Lebron started to get past Leonard they forced james back out by moving up the defense and cutting his drive off. The Spurs are going to make James shoot jump shot's or pass the ball this series.  That's why he didn't shoot that many free throws, because he didn't get too many chances at driving the lane and getting fouls. 

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Criticism against the team, sure. Criticising a guy who clearly played a good game, was not the reason his team lost and calling anyone who sees is that way as a "fanboy", no.

As far as calling LeBron the greatest (assuming you're referring to all time), you're pretty much creating a strawman.

 

I'm just calling it like I see it. Whether it's here or in the media it's always "oh boo hoo Lebron didn't get any help, look at how awful his team is playing". No help? They have arguably the most talented roster in the NBA.

 

Don't even get me started on his flopping or Wade's dirty playing.

 

As for the greatest, yes people are making such declarations. The Jordan comparisons are asinine.

 

I literally feel like lobotomizing myself after watching ESPN endlessly compare them.

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the last few posts of this thread remind me of the threads about the Cavs losses right before James left.

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I'm just calling it like I see it. Whether it's here or in the media it's always "oh boo hoo Lebron didn't get any help, look at how awful his team is playing". No help? They have arguably the most talented roster in the NBA.

Right now that doesn't appear to be the case, if youre watching the games, rather than just looking at big names. Wade didn't score in the 4th quarter and was invisible during much of the Indiana series. and bosh is more interested in shooting 3s rather than getting rebounds or playing defense. Shane battier has played so bad that mike miller is playing ahead of him.

As far as citing ESPN, they are village idiots as much about the NFL so what do you expect?

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Just to further the Lebron James shooting woes, I think it had something to with Leonard. 

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9352355/tim-duncan-delighted-determined

 

 

James was 2-8 when fronted by Leonard. With someone else defending him he was 5-8 from the floor.  That's 25% shooting against Leonard and 63% against anyone else. 

 

 

 

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400467195

 

 

 

Kawhi Leonard guarded LeBron James on 6 of his 7 2nd half field goal attempts in Game 1 and held James to 2-of-8 shooting and 6 points overall in the game. James' average field goal attempt was 16.4 feet from the basket against Leonard. Against all other defenders, James went 5-of-8 from the field with 12 points and average shot distance of 8.9 feet.

 

 

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