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In football Houston has been more consistent then ECU for last decade: 

 

Houston   75 wins 53 losses 7 bowl appearances

 

ECU         60 wins 65 losses 5 bowl appearances  

 

NFL: Neither team has really had much impact on NFL roster... highlights are

Chris Johnson (ECU) Garrard (ECU) Lival Joseph (ECU)

Kevin Kolb (Houston) Donnie Avery (Houston) DJ Hayden (Houston)

 

Houston lost Sumlin to Texas A&M which hurt the program, ECU was better last year with 8-4 compared to 5-7 for Houston

 

Overall records for last decade hurt ECU with dismal yrs in 2003 and 2004 where they combined for 3 wins in 2 yrs.The rest was fairly comparable except Houston's 13-1 record in 2011 

 

Couldn't find a head to head for teams. 

 

To be honest it was a lot closer then I had expected. Houston gets more publicity recently with a run on good QB's with Kolb, Keenum and now Piland. Everything else came out very close in the last 5 yrs as far as football is concerned. 

 

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ECU is 7-5 in football against Houston.

 

As far as ECU vs. Houston players in the NFL, they were tied 14-14 until David Garrard's recent retirement gave the edge to Houston 14-13, though I'd give the slight edge to ECU in terms of quality with 3 recent pro bowlers in Garrard and CJ2K as well as 3x Pro Bowl FB Vonta Leach to Houston's none.

 

While I will tell you that, like you mentioned, the 2 John Thompson seasons set ECU football back 2-3 years and it took a while to bounce back. Those were some painful seasons, but were necessary as they caused a shakeup in the entire staff of the Athletic Dpt. that led to Terry Holland (who us Pirates believe is the second coming of Jesus) being hired as AD. Holland made gold out of sh*t and turned ECU into a respectable athletic program with his coaching hires and donor programs in a very short time. In fact, here's a bad ass video featuring Terry Holland:

 

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He's responsible for putting together the Dowdy Fick expansions, the expansion to Minges Coliseum (http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/PGPirate/MingesColiseum-PracticeCourtsAddition-AerialViewofAddition.png), and the new olympic sports complex (http://i53.tinypic.com/msynmr.jpg) that brought all of ECU's facilities up to par with most schools in the country.

 

People don't tend to understand a lot about ECU and it's odd growth. It started as a women's school for teaching in the early 1900's (East Carolina Teaching College). It didn't get an accredited business school until the 1970's, and the medical school wasn't fully functional until the late 60's. These schools take a lot of time to fully develop meaning we're talking most of the big grads didn't come until the late 70's early 80's, meaning that most of the potential big donors for the athletic program haven't even retired yet. The fact that not only athletics, but also the school as a whole is already as succesful as it is is quite impressive, actually. ECU doesn't have the consistent donations of a Chapel Hill, NC State, South Carolina, Clemson, or an SEC school because the big income degree progams (BSB,MBA,Medical,etc.) aren't old enough yet. It has nothing to do with the lack of pride by the fans, because anyone who's been to a football game knows otherwise.

 

As far as the Ficklen expansion, I'm proud to see this growth. ECU will forever be the underdog of North Carolina, and I love every second of it. As the program grows, the sky truly is the limit. In all of the college football games I've been to, I have to say that Rowdy Dowdy is one of the funnest sports atmospheres there is. Very underrated, but that's how the Pirates like it, it's how we always have.

 

We will, as ECUPantherfan said, contend in the American. Coach McNeill has picked up where Skip Holtz left off in building this program in a big way. Shane Carden is a Junior that could possibly become the best passer in ECU history (and he's got good company), Justin Hardy is a stud hard working WR that worked his way up from a walk on to a very respected WR all across the nation, the defense is improving, the running game has depth, this program is chock full of talent and I think that this team right now has as much talent as the back-to-back CUSA championship teams.

 

Watch out for us, that's all I've always said. Some people listen, others don't. Very proud day to be a Pirate.

 

Sorry, ya'll got me onto a little ECU rant which I definitely tend to do sometimes, but I'll just leave with this video for people who don't know much about ECU football. I think it's a pretty good way to describe the environment of Dowdy Ficklen Stadium on a typical night game. Skip around as you please, but don't miss the player intros..they're awesome.

 

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I'm not really sure I agree that the AAC is a step up for ECU football. It is a step up from what CUSA has become absolutely, but it isn't really much of a step up from where they used to be.

 

The AAC has some really pathetic football programs. Tulane, Temple, and Memphis are all terrible. UCONN doesn't have a very good history either. They've had basically one good season and they are a big part of the reason that the 5 power conferences planned to exclude the Big East from the BCS. The year UCONN got the auto-bid to a BCS game with a mediocre team pissed off the other power programs that felt they had programs far more deserving. USF has never had much success either. They had a big money backer that helped them get into the Big East with a new football program. They didn't earn it. They bought their way in. They've had one good really good season and a lot of mediocrity.

 

Cincy is a nice program, but far from stellar. They are also probably the most likely program to leave in the near future. Tulsa is a nice program too, but hard to say if it is sustainable long term.

 

I think Houston and ECU definitely have the most football potential long term in the AAC, but they're going to have to do it on their own and not rely on the conference to help them along. If the Big XII ever decides to go to 14 like the other conferences, I think Houston and Cincy are both very possible and likely candidates to go. Two from the MWC are also likely to get called up.

 

The networks have spoken and they deemed that the AAC's entire yearly television contract was worth less than what even the worst power conference teams are worth on their own in a couple of years.

 

Basketball in the AAC should be pretty good. I'll take a wait and see approach to see how ECU's program performs. I keep seeing ECU fans saying the teams in the conference will help them generate interest, but the AAC is still not nearly as good as the original CUSA that ECU played in and the conference did nothing to help them then. I'm not sold on Lebo. Sure he's a better coach that what ECU has had in the past, but he has questionable rotations. Two years ago he didn't play Kemp enough and ECU suffered. Last year he didn't play Akeem Richmond enough and ECU suffered before injuries finally forced him to start Richmond and he excelled and helped carry ECU to the CIT championship.

 

ECU has lost Kemp, Paul, and Sampson from last years team. That is A LOT to make up for. I think this year will be very telling of Jeff Lebo's capabilities. When you have a basketball history as pathetic as ECU's, one down year erases all the strides you've made in the last couple seasons.

 

I like ECU and wish them well. Their football will continue to do its thing or even improve (although I'm not a huge Ruffin McNeill fan), baseball will continue to be a consistent top 30 program, but I'm not sold on basketball making a leap.

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I'm not really sure I agree that the AAC is a step up for ECU football. It is a step up from what CUSA has become absolutely, but it isn't really much of a step up from where they used to be.

 

The AAC has some really pathetic football programs. Tulane, Temple, and Memphis are all terrible. UCONN doesn't have a very good history either. They've had basically one good season and they are a big part of the reason that the 5 power conferences planned to exclude the Big East from the BCS. The year UCONN got the auto-bid to a BCS game with a mediocre team pissed off the other power programs that felt they had programs far more deserving. USF has never had much success either. They had a big money backer that helped them get into the Big East with a new football program. They didn't earn it. They bought their way in. They've had one good really good season and a lot of mediocrity.

 

Cincy is a nice program, but far from stellar. They are also probably the most likely program to leave in the near future. Tulsa is a nice program too, but hard to say if it is sustainable long term.

 

I think Houston and ECU definitely have the most football potential long term in the AAC, but they're going to have to do it on their own and not rely on the conference to help them along. If the Big XII ever decides to go to 14 like the other conferences, I think Houston and Cincy are both very possible and likely candidates to go. Two from the MWC are also likely to get called up.

 

The networks have spoken and they deemed that the AAC's entire yearly television contract was worth less than what even the worst power conference teams are worth on their own in a couple of years.

 

Basketball in the AAC should be pretty good. I'll take a wait and see approach to see how ECU's program performs. I keep seeing ECU fans saying the teams in the conference will help them generate interest, but the AAC is still not nearly as good as the original CUSA that ECU played in and the conference did nothing to help them then. I'm not sold on Lebo. Sure he's a better coach that what ECU has had in the past, but he has questionable rotations. Two years ago he didn't play Kemp enough and ECU suffered. Last year he didn't play Akeem Richmond enough and ECU suffered before injuries finally forced him to start Richmond and he excelled and helped carry ECU to the CIT championship.

 

ECU has lost Kemp, Paul, and Sampson from last years team. That is A LOT to make up for. I think this year will be very telling of Jeff Lebo's capabilities. When you have a basketball history as pathetic as ECU's, one down year erases all the strides you've made in the last couple seasons.

 

I like ECU and wish them well. Their football will continue to do its thing or even improve (although I'm not a huge Ruffin McNeill fan), baseball will continue to be a consistent top 30 program, but I'm not sold on basketball making a leap.

 

1. Cincy, Tulsa, Central Florida, South Florida, ECU, SMU, UConn, and Houston all are very talented and growing football programs. Though I agree that The American isn't exactly the bees knees, it will absolutely be better than CUSA of the past few years. I'm sorry but I don't know where you're coming from with that one. Why are you saying that the CUSA of the past is better than the American which will essentially be CUSA's best programs plus UConn and Cincinatti. That makes no sense.

 

2. As far as basketball, Richmond is a defensive liability and a streaky shooter and I don't blame Lebo at all for playing PRC who is a great defender. I think next season Lebo will probably extend Richmond's minutes as he has surely matured as a player but when the season started he didn't deserve more than 20 minutes a game. Maurice Kemp was a skinny slasher with no shooting stroke and a poor FT shooter when he came to the program, Lebo developed him the right way over time. He had to put on weight and improve his shooting before playing big minutes (which he did). In his Freshman-Sophomore form he was a role player. You're point of the loss of Kemp/Paul/Sampson are good, but Lebo has recruited big bodies that should help, and the transfer of Terry Whisnant, a 6'3" PG former starter from Florida State who was a 4 star recruit coming out of high school ought to help just a bit. Kemp is a big loss, but I think Ty Armstrong will suprise and impress a lot of people as a #1 scoring option. Make no mistake, saying your not sold on Lebo means you really may not understand how bad this program truly historically has been. He's a damn good coach and he's all in on ECU. And he's recruited well too.

 

3. You mentioned something about The American's TV Contract. I don't care how much it's worth compared to any of the Big 5 it just isn't worth talking about. C-USA's TV contract is worth half of The American's. That's the reason that this move is important. Money. Double. The. Money. More money for athletic programs.

 

4. Not liking Ruffin McNeill is straight up weird, but I'm going to put it on you just not following the program closely. ECU Alum that lives and dies by this program. The guy is in love with Greenville and ECU, and he's a terrific recruiter with tremendous respect and notoriety across the country. If you don't like him, you don't like ECU.

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1. Cincy, Tulsa, Central Florida, South Florida, ECU, SMU, UConn, and Houston all are very talented and growing football programs. Though I agree that The American isn't exactly the bees knees, it will absolutely be better than CUSA of the past few years. I'm sorry but I don't know where you're coming from with that one. Why are you saying that the CUSA of the past is better than the American which will essentially be CUSA's best programs plus UConn and Cincinatti. That makes no sense.

 

2. As far as basketball, Richmond is a defensive liability and a streaky shooter and I don't blame Lebo at all for playing PRC who is a great defender. I think next season Lebo will probably extend Richmond's minutes as he has surely matured as a player but when the season started he didn't deserve more than 20 minutes a game. Maurice Kemp was a skinny slasher with no shooting stroke and a poor FT shooter when he came to the program, Lebo developed him the right way over time. He had to put on weight and improve his shooting before playing big minutes (which he did). In his Freshman-Sophomore form he was a role player. You're point of the loss of Kemp/Paul/Sampson are good, but Lebo has recruited big bodies that should help, and the transfer of Terry Whisnant, a 6'3" PG former starter from Florida State who was a 4 star recruit coming out of high school ought to help just a bit. Kemp is a big loss, but I think Ty Armstrong will suprise and impress a lot of people as a #1 scoring option. Make no mistake, saying your not sold on Lebo means you really may not understand how bad this program truly historically has been. He's a damn good coach and he's all in on ECU. And he's recruited well too.

 

3. You mentioned something about The American's TV Contract. I don't care how much it's worth compared to anyone else. C-USA's TV contract is worth half of The American's. That's the reason that this move is important. Money. Double. The. Money. More money for athletic programs.

4. Not liking Ruffin McNeill is straight up weird, but I'm going to put it on you just not knowing anything about him. ECU Alum that lives and dies by this program. The guy is in love with Greenville and ECU, and he's a terrific recruiter with tremendous respect and notoriety across the country. If you don't like him, you don't like ECU.

  1. Cinci was a better program in CUSA v1 than it is today. The basketball at Cinci is a shell of what it was under Bob Huggins. It isn't a perennial top 10 program anymore. Marquette is no longer there. Louisville is no longer there.  There is some talent in the AAC, but there aren't any consistent powers. People like to say any program that has had some recent success a growing program, but in reality, pretty much all the programs in the AAC are going to be up and down. They'll have their magical years and they'll have their normal years where they're neither good nor bad. And for schools like Tulane, Temple, UCONN, and Memphis, being bad is pretty regular on the football field. Everyone else falls solidly in the mediocre category. The best program in the AAC is Cinci and they're pleading to get out of the conference. They will when WVU finally cries loud enough and gets the Big XII to add a travel partner for them.
  2. I'm well aware of Richmond's talents and liabilities, but his offensive talents far outweighed his defensive liabilities. I've watched Richmond for years, even back when he was at Rhode Island and even a bit in HS. ECU had a ridiculously good +/- when he was on the floor. The new players you are talking about are freshmen, hard to rely on them to contribute much immediately. With Bryant Stith as the new assistant at Old Dominion, I wouldn't really count on keeping Stith all four years anyway. Whisnant was a great pickup, but he can't play for you this year. ECU has a chance to be really bad this year, taking them back to square one because they have no basketball history to rely on.
  3. The TV contract isn't double and more than anything it doesn't get the AAC much exposure because you're about the 4th or 5th option on ESPN. CUSA teams get $1.2 million a year ($1 million a year after Charlotte and ODU join for football) compared to $1.8 in the AAC, but our contract is with Fox Sports and will have pretty good treatment on the new Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2 channels in prime time. I don't really count on CUSA maintaining such great placement after a few years when the contract expires and Fox has the option to renegotiate things, but we're sitting well for the next 3 years (and the AAC defectors are responsible for making up any difference in television contract value for an additional 2). Making an extra $800,000/yr isn't going to have any real impact on an athletic department when you are talking budgets of $30 million or more each year.
  4. I don't dislike McNeill, I'm just not 100% confident in him as a head coach. I've seen several ECU fans say the same thing. You can be an alum with all the respect and recruiting ability in the world, but if you're not a great coach it won't matter.

 

Overall the AAC is definitely a better conference than CUSA, especially for basketball. I'm not arguing otherwise. The AAC is still a conference full of teams that nobody really gives a damn about on a national level though. The teams that left ultimately did not move up, they moved on. They all ended up in exactly the same situation they were in before realignment started. Before realignment CUSA was the 7-8th best conference in football each year (battling with the MWC most seasons for best non-BCS conference). Now they'll still be there battling with the MWC for best non-power conference while being excluded from all the important bowl games just like CUSA, SBC, and MAC teams.

 

Nobody that moved really won in realignment. It only looks that way because of the schools that were added to CUSA. If all the schools in CUSA had stayed put (which nobody could have expected them to do initially because it looked like a great deal for UCF, Houston, and SMU), then they'd be in basically the same position they are today. ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane had to jump shit because at that point they would have been left behind, but like I said, they moved on to stay exactly where they were at before rather than falling behind. It was a step forward, but not a step up.

 

Eventually there will be a time when all the non-power conference teams are excluded from bowl games that matter and the AAC will be right there with everyone else. There are a few schools left with some good political pull in the MWC and the AAC and those schools will be accommodated in exchange for not filing lawsuits. Cinci, UCONN, Memphis, BYU, some of the better MWC teams, and MAYBE Houston will get an invite to the few remaining spots in a 5x16 conference set up, but ultimately the rest will be left behind to wither on the vine like the other diseased fruit in the Group of 5 conferences.

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  1. Cinci was a better program in CUSA v1 than it is today. The basketball at Cinci is a shell of what it was under Bob Huggins. It isn't a perennial top 10 program anymore. Marquette is no longer there. Louisville is no longer there.  There is some talent in the AAC, but there aren't any consistent powers. People like to say any program that has had some recent success a growing program, but in reality, pretty much all the programs in the AAC are going to be up and down. They'll have their magical years and they'll have their normal years where they're neither good nor bad. And for schools like Tulane, Temple, UCONN, and Memphis, being bad is pretty regular on the football field. Everyone else falls solidly in the mediocre category. The best program in the AAC is Cinci and they're pleading to get out of the conference. They will when WVU finally cries loud enough and gets the Big XII to add a travel partner for them.
  2. I'm well aware of Richmond's talents and liabilities, but his offensive talents far outweighed his defensive liabilities. I've watched Richmond for years, even back when he was at Rhode Island and even a bit in HS. ECU had a ridiculously good +/- when he was on the floor. The new players you are talking about are freshmen, hard to rely on them to contribute much immediately. With Bryant Stith as the new assistant at Old Dominion, I wouldn't really count on keeping Stith all four years anyway. Whisnant was a great pickup, but he can't play for you this year. ECU has a chance to be really bad this year, taking them back to square one because they have no basketball history to rely on.
  3. The TV contract isn't double and more than anything it doesn't get the AAC much exposure because you're about the 4th or 5th option on ESPN. CUSA teams get $1.2 million a year ($1 million a year after Charlotte and ODU join for football) compared to $1.8 in the AAC, but our contract is with Fox Sports and will have pretty good treatment on the new Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2 channels in prime time. I don't really count on CUSA maintaining such great placement after a few years when the contract expires and Fox has the option to renegotiate things, but we're sitting well for the next 3 years (and the AAC defectors are responsible for making up any difference in television contract value for an additional 2). Making an extra $800,000/yr isn't going to have any real impact on an athletic department when you are talking budgets of $30 million or more each year.
  4. I don't dislike McNeill, I'm just not 100% confident in him as a head coach. I've seen several ECU fans say the same thing. You can be an alum with all the respect and recruiting ability in the world, but if you're not a great coach it won't matter.

 

Overall the AAC is definitely a better conference than CUSA, especially for basketball. I'm not arguing otherwise. The AAC is still a conference full of teams that nobody really gives a damn about on a national level though. The teams that left ultimately did not move up, they moved on. They all ended up in exactly the same situation they were in before realignment started. Before realignment CUSA was the 7-8th best conference in football each year (battling with the MWC most seasons for best non-BCS conference). Now they'll still be there battling with the MWC for best non-power conference while being excluded from all the important bowl games just like CUSA, SBC, and MAC teams.

 

Nobody that moved really won in realignment. It only looks that way because of the schools that were added to CUSA. If all the schools in CUSA had stayed put (which nobody could have expected them to do initially because it looked like a great deal for UCF, Houston, and SMU), then they'd be in basically the same position they are today. ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane had to jump poo because at that point they would have been left behind, but like I said, they moved on to stay exactly where they were at before rather than falling behind. It was a step forward, but not a step up.

 

Eventually there will be a time when all the non-power conference teams are excluded from bowl games that matter and the AAC will be right there with everyone else. There are a few schools left with some good political pull in the MWC and the AAC and those schools will be accommodated in exchange for not filing lawsuits. Cinci, UCONN, Memphis, BYU, some of the better MWC teams, and MAYBE Houston will get an invite to the few remaining spots in a 5x16 conference set up, but ultimately the rest will be left behind to wither on the vine like the other diseased fruit in the Group of 5 conferences.

 

 

First of all, you're absolutely incorrect about Cincinnatti football being "better" in the CUSA. Cincy has been in the Big East/American for 8 seasons. Of those 8 seasons, they've won 12 games one time, 11 games one time, 10 games three times, and 8 games one time. They've had TWO losing seasons and are coming off of a 10 win season, so I'm not sure where you're coming from there. As far as basketball, F*CKING OF COURSE they were better in CUSA!! The Old Big East was either the best or the 2nd best basketball conference in the country every year! The competition is uncomparable. Memphis was their only true consistent competition every year. Besides, the addition of Memphis far cancels any shortcomings of Cincy, and the loss of the Cath. 7 will surely improve their record.

 

Another discrepency I have with you here is UConn football, which you proclaim to be so horrible. They joined the Big East in 04 and had 5 seasons of 8 or more wins during the Edsall era and went to 5 bowl games. Have they endured a small downswing since Pasqualoni was hired? Sure, but this bullsh*t about them being an embarrasment isn't true. winning 5 games 2 seasons in a row in a BCS conference doesn't qualify you as a cellar dwellar, it qualifys them as a below average team OVER THE PAST 2 YEARS. They have historically been a respectable team since joining the Big East over the long haul.

 

Then comes the money factor. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but I'll break it down:

 

ESPN and The American have a $126 million dollar contract for first rights (as you know), 7 years for basketball, 6 years for football. Lets make the math easier and say it's 6 years for b-ball and 6 years for football.

 

CBS has a 6 year second right basketball agreement worth $54 million.

 

Thats $180,000,000 in total TV revenue for the American over the next 6 years.

 

In 2014 (when the final group of CUSA teams enters), the American will have 11 teams. Take that $180 million and divide it by 6, that's $30 million a year. Divide that $30 million by 11, that's $2.72 million per year, per team in 2014.

 

Fox and CUSA signed a $42 million first rights agreement over 5 years. They also signed a 5 year secondary agreement with CBS worth $35 million.

 

In 2014, CUSA will have 14 members. Take the total $77 million TV revenue, divide it by 5, that's $15.4 million per year in revenue. Divide it by 14 and that's $1.1 million per team, per year.

 

American in 2014 - $2.72 million per team, per year.

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CUSA in 2014 - $1.1 million per team, per year.

 

More. Than. Double.

 

And I don't care about anything else other than the money. I don't care about exposure. I'm gonna watch my Pirates and the other die hards will and we have plenty of them. I don't care who else does. All I care is that we have more money to spend, and we will. Considerably more.

 

And in short, Lebo is a good coach. Ruffin is a great coach. Anyone who tells you otherwise is short sighted. Terry Holland makes good hires. He just proved another when he was given the responsibility to choose his successor, and he chose Jeff Compher, who just was chosen for Athletic Director of the Year.

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Great discussions.... I might have to post in this forum more often to avoid all the trolls 

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Fair enough PiratePanther. I was not aware of the CBS deal.

 

You will not convince me that Jeff Lebo is a good coach though. 

 

Overall, I'm a fan of the ECU program and I mostly like ECU fans that I've encountered. It's the App fans that I find unbearable.

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Fair enough PiratePanther. I was not aware of the CBS deal.

 

You will not convince me that Jeff Lebo is a good coach though. 

 

Overall, I'm a fan of the ECU program and I mostly like ECU fans that I've encountered. It's the App fans that I find unbearable.

 

Anyone who inherits a 10-21 team with a 4-12 and turns them into a 24-12 team with a 9-7 conference record in 3 years certainly is doing their job.

 

But this conversation is going nowhere. Both ECU and UNCC are making progress and I too wish you the best of luck as your football program gets started. Can never cheer against the city of Charlotte (unless they're playing the Pirates)
 

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Who's this saying UConn doesn't have a good football program? Under Randy Edsall, it made the turn that their basketball program did when Jim Calhoun came in. Just because they were total crap until a few years ago doesn't negate what they've done recently. Remember, their basketball team was historically terrible before Calhoun, and now they've won more NCAA championships in the past 15 years than any other Division One program.

 

UConn won't be around long though. Pretty sure they were one spot out of jumping to the ACC, which would've been amazing for me as a former UConn fan and a current UNC student and diehard, but their time to move will come soon.

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I'm not sure what the specifics are but I know that this round conference realignment is going to come to an end here soon for a while. These next 1-2 years will probably be the last moves we see for a while as most conferences are locking these teams up starting at the beginning of the playoff era contractually after all of the chaos we've seen ensue over the last few years.

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Who's this saying UConn doesn't have a good football program? Under Randy Edsall, it made the turn that their basketball program did when Jim Calhoun came in. Just because they were total crap until a few years ago doesn't negate what they've done recently. Remember, their basketball team was historically terrible before Calhoun, and now they've won more NCAA championships in the past 15 years than any other Division One program.

 

UConn won't be around long though. Pretty sure they were one spot out of jumping to the ACC, which would've been amazing for me as a former UConn fan and a current UNC student and diehard, but their time to move will come soon.

I actually think Cincy is more likely to get an ACC invite than UCONN.

 

I can't remember what UCONN did, but they pissed the ACC off sometime around 03 when the last round of realignment went down. 

 

Cincy is also a better academic institution.

 

I can actually see UCONN becoming UMass-like in time unless the ACC decides to throw them a life vest instead of Cincy.

 

If Cincy doesn't get into the ACC, they'll get a Big XII invite at some point to make WVU happy.

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I actually think Cincy is more likely to get an ACC invite than UCONN.

 

I can't remember what UCONN did, but they pissed the ACC off sometime around 03 when the last round of realignment went down. 

 

Cincy is also a better academic institution.

 

I can actually see UCONN becoming UMass-like in time unless the ACC decides to throw them a life vest instead of Cincy.

 

If Cincy doesn't get into the ACC, they'll get a Big XII invite at some point to make WVU happy.

 

yeah, they like sued the ACC over adding Boston College from the Big East in 03, saying something like they conspired to weaken the Big East and then just left or something, but Pitt was involved in that lawsuit and they ended up in the ACC. It's actually more BC than anything that is trying to keep them from the ACC, their AD has admitted as much.
 

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