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Andrew Luck the 23rd ranked player in the nfl?

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Red Zone    68

Luck is absolutely a talented QB. I do not agree that he was ranked that much higher than Cam.

 

At the end of the day, I can honestly say that I prefer having Cam. I believe they are both special. Give me Cam.

 

Go Panthers!

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teeray    16,195

Mark Sanchez went 11-5, had a 54% comp %, had 4 4Q comebacks, 6 game winning drives, TD% of 3.4, INT % of 2.6, in 2010

 

All nearly identical to Andrew Luck last season and Sanchez may be out of a job and just got drafted over.

 

Luck will be a good player in this league.  But he is a looooooooong way from being a top 10 QB and is not one of the 25 best players in the NFL.

 

My only worry with Luck is, does he have that much upside?

 

The reason he was so highly rated coming out of the draft is he had a very high floor and was almost bust proof, not because he had a huge ceiling.

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tiger7_88    13,520

Had Cam followed up his record setting rookie year with 11 wins, a playoff birth, and the exact same stats he had last year, he would be on the cover of every magazine and would be ESPN's new "it" guy.

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lol... you I-love-Cam-butts are fuggin' classic.

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tiger7_88    13,520

The ordained one

Exactly.

Those who prophesy will always move heaven and earth to ensure that their prophecy is fulfilled.

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FootballMaestro    2,500

I watched every frickin' snap. The kid is absurdly overrated. I don't give a flying f*ck what anyone thinks about it because they don't know what the hell they're talking about. He was barely the 23rd best quarterback, but everyone finds his numbers so appealing without the context of an absurd number of snaps.

 

He also accumulated a lot of those stats when Indianapolis was losing, and seemingly out of games, until the defense made some wonderful plays/had some extraordinary fortune. 

 

I do like Luck though. But as you, I feel this ranking is absurdly high for what I saw on the field from him. 

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FootballMaestro    2,500

I turned on ron after the first atlanta game. However, the players never quit on him. If the players didn't have faith in him he would be gone. So ill respect a pro athletes opinion of a coach much more than yours.

 

Just cause players support their coach, doesn't mean he's a good coach. Not at all. 

 

Players have supported mediocre and awful coaches for years in all sports (especially ahem "Players Coaches"), and were disappointed when the 'New Guy' came in, who was actually better than the previous who they initially thought they 'liked' so much. It happens. 

 

[surprisingly/Historically] players aren't always the best judges of this for a multiplicity of reasons.

 

Hopefully, Rivera WILL improve full circle (or at least allow the offense to score at every opportunity, so his decision making is not needed at the end of games)?

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mbarbour21    780

Took his team to the playoffs?

Went 11-5 with subpar talent around him?

Broke Cam's record for passing yards by a rookie?

I love Cam but until he starts winning games he will not get the respect that his talent deserves. It's sad but true. People want him to be this and that but ultimately all he needs is W's. Had Cam followed up his record setting rookie year with 11 wins, a playoff birth, and the exact same stats he had last year, he would be on the cover of every magazine and would be ESPN's new "it" guy.

Is it all Cam's fault? No. Some of it? Yes (two loses directly resulted in a play of his).

If Cam had a better coach I think this wouldn't even be an issue. But that may not happen for a while. So sit back and enjoy it bc until those last minute losses turn into wins this is going to continue to happen.

And what's really messed up is Cam was only 40th last year. He put up insane numbers. He had a much better season than Luck. 35 tds,over 3 broken records (in same year/rushing AND passing), and did it in 100 less attempts. If Luck got 23rd this year, Cam should hav been at least top 20 last year.

If Cam was in Lucks place, Colts would hav still been in playoffs. Might hav still lost first playoff game, but Cam could hav took them that far too.

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FootballMaestro    2,500

When "Cam starts winning games"? I think you mean when the "Carolina Panthers" start winning games.

It was the "Indianapolis Colts" who won 11 games not "Andrew Luck".

Let's not forget they promptly exited the playoffs behind Lucks 0 TD 1 INT 1 FUM and 59.8 QB rating performance.

 

Yeah, but don't  you know that doesn't count on Andrew Luck's resume? Lol

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TheRed    17,988

Just cause players support their coach, doesn't mean he's a good coach.

Players have supported mediocre and awful coaches for years in all sports (especially ahem "Players Coaches"), and were disappointed when the 'New Guy' came in, who was actually better than the previous who they thought they 'liked' so much. It happens.

[surprisingly/Historically] players aren't always the best judges of this for a multiplicity of reasons.

Hopefully, Rivera will improve full circle (or at least allow the offense to score a bunch of points, so his decision making is not needed at the end of games)?

There were many upset players after Hurney got fired, and it wasn't due to the loss of his evaluation skills.

I'm really hoping Rivera can put it all together this year. The last thing I want to see is us to start over again.

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FootballMaestro    2,500

And what's really messed up is Cam was only 40th last year. He put up insane numbers. He had a much better season than Luck. 35 tds,over 3 broken records (in same year/rushing AND passing), and did it in 100 less attempts. If Luck got 23rd this year, Cam should hav been at least top 20 last year.

If Cam was in Lucks place, Colts would hav still been in playoffs. Might hav still lost first playoff game, but Cam could hav took them that far too.

 

I agree with everything you said. But obviously, they took Luck's 11 wins and playoff birth (despite their weak opposition, and the defenses contribution) as paramount. 

 

Let's see where he's ranked in 2013 if/when they Colts implode??

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CatMan72    4,538

LOL, what a joke - the kid is good but the 23rd best player in the NFL right now? really? 

 

Wait until you see where they rank RG3 if you want to laugh. 

 

 

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jamos14    1,325

LOL, what a joke - the kid is good but the 23rd best player in the NFL right now? really? 

 

Wait until you see where they rank RG3 if you want to laugh. 

 

No kidding.  He will be in the top 15.  Silly, silly, silly.  

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FootballMaestro    2,500

There were many upset players after Hurney got fired, and it wasn't due to the loss of his evaluation skills.

I'm really hoping Rivera can put it all together this year. The last thing I want to see is us to start over again.

 

Exactly!

 

Players like/want to keep coaches, owners and front office people (or at least they think they do) for all type of reasons. 

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