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#16 Zaximus

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:46 AM

Biz has continued to improve.  He's done what we asked of him.  I think the addition to Ewing to the staff could also help his development.  I think if we draft someone with some size to pair him with down low (Len) it'll only improve his game.  Biz is sooooo young, and sometimes I think we forget this.  We knew he was a project.  So far I believe he's doing well for a project, we just have to be patient.  Guy plays hard.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:16 AM

Biz has continued to improve.  He's done what we asked of him.  I think the addition to Ewing to the staff could also help his development.  I think if we draft someone with some size to pair him with down low (Len) it'll only improve his game.  Biz is sooooo young, and sometimes I think we forget this.  We knew he was a project.  So far I believe he's doing well for a project, we just have to be patient.  Guy plays hard.

 

Agreed, but if you draft a player just like him (Noel) then you are taking away time from Biz that he desperately needs to get better.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:18 AM

Oh definitely, I don't want Noel, at all.  We have that high energy defender to put in the game, it's Biz, but what we do need is a center with some size and some scoring ability.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:35 PM


There is no need to destroy Biz's progression by drafting a player just like him.

 

That's silly. No one is destroying Biz' progression by drafting Noel. Noel is much more athletic and probably a better player than Biz. You gotta keep your option open and if Noel is there, you gotta take him.

 

Let's remember that we're going to have to spend some money this off season. Bring in a guy like J.J. Hickson, and this is a great move. Hickson would compliment greatly with both Biz and Noel. Also, Noel is not going to be back till around Christmas. Biz will have all the time to develop.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:38 PM

Agreed, but if you draft a player just like him (Noel) then you are taking away time from Biz that he desperately needs to get better.

 

There's 82 games in a NBA season. Noel is not going to be back till December. How are we taking time away from Biz?



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:09 PM

I still don't get why we can't have depth? What's wrong with both Noel and Biz? Do they have to play together? No. Can they? Yes. Offensive part might be a struggle but lets be honest. The NBA is a driving league. 

 

Majority of NBA teams but require a "superstar"

PG: Top PGs are scoring point guards who break down the defense. Some have an outside shot and can shoot the 3 

SG: Now mainly see 3 pt shooting specialists who get the ball after other players drive

SF: Driving to the basket using athleticism 

PF: Stretch floor hit the mid range jumper

C: See PF bc usually no Center on the floor

 

Fundamental Teams (Spurs/Pacers/Memphis) "team basketball"

Same as above except with Post game players at the C or PF positions.

 

So what type of team are we going to be in the future? Can Noel or Biz be a legit post threat? I am assuming Noel is available because Len is already off the board. So if you had to pick Noel/Bennett/Oladipo, who do you pick? 

 

I say go for length. I am sick of the Brandon Haywood, Mullens, Diop combos. 



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:14 PM

Frankly, I don't think Biz is good enough to have any impact on draft plans. It's too early to give up on him but him becoming even an average player is no sure thing- you've gotta have a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" attitude when it comes to young/raw prospects.

 

Anyway, what we think of his development and potential is irrelevant. In the NBA you draft almost exclusively for talent- even if Biz ends up hitting his "best case" there is absolutely no GM in the league who is worried about having too many talented big men regardless of how they fit together. And for a franchise which has been so terrible inside for so long, it's just an absurd concern to have IMO. I would love to have 'too many' good young defensive big men. 

 

If you don't want Noel because of his injury concerns, great, I sympathize. If you don't want Noel because you think there is someone else better available, great, sounds perfectly reasonable. But it makes no sense to not draft him (or anyone else) because we have Biyombo on the roster. The NBA doesn't work like that. 



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:51 PM

Frankly, I don't think Biz is good enough to have any impact on draft plans. It's too early to give up on him but him becoming even an average player is no sure thing- you've gotta have a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" attitude when it comes to young/raw prospects.

Anyway, what we think of his development and potential is irrelevant. In the NBA you draft almost exclusively for talent- even if Biz ends up hitting his "best case" there is absolutely no GM in the league who is worried about having too many talented big men regardless of how they fit together. And for a franchise which has been so terrible inside for so long, it's just an absurd concern to have IMO. I would love to have 'too many' good young defensive big men.

If you don't want Noel because of his injury concerns, great, I sympathize. If you don't want Noel because you think there is someone else better available, great, sounds perfectly reasonable. But it makes no sense to not draft him (or anyone else) because we have Biyombo on the roster. The NBA doesn't work like that.



120% absolutely correct!!!!

I've been trying to spit this out, but couldn't. I'm glad you read my mind!!! Biz has shown some goods here and there, but nothing yet of being the long term answer. He's still too raw and needs a lot more developing IMO. Biz is not good enough to change our draft plans. If I'm Cho, there is no way I'm letting Biz affect my draft process.

This is how mediocrity begins: when you start drafting by needs bc you have mediocre talents already. We passed up on Jrue Holiday bc we had Felton and DJ at the Point, even when many experts and mock drafts told us to take Holiday. We decided to take Hendo instead.

You take Noel bc his potential is way above Biz. Noel's ceiling is ALL Star caliber. Biz's is a starting role player if ever reached. It's pretty dumb to say you don't want Noel bc we have Biz.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:36 PM

Noel absolutely takes away from Biz's progression.

You can't play both on the floor at the same time because you won't have an offensive post presence and it's more than likely that Noel would see more playing time than Biz.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:39 PM

Noel absolutely takes away from Biz's progression.

You can't play both on the floor at the same time because you won't have an offensive post presence and it's more than likely that Noel would see more playing time than Biz.


As much as I love Biz, Biz has not shown anything. He's lucky to get the PT he had the last two seasons, bc he's on the Bobcats. If Noel gets more PT than Biz, that means he's doing something right! I rather have a guy who can play than a guy who I hope can play.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:56 PM

Biz has definitely improved and on top of that he's only 20.

I already pointed out how well he played in the last two weeks of the NBA.

On top of that, Biz has a body that can take a beating in the post, Noel has a body that will snap in the post.

LBJ would absolutely break Noel... No and, or, ifs, or buts about it.

I just want people on this board to quit being so enamored with a prospect that they don't look at both sides of the spectrum (the good and the bad).

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:28 PM

Biz has definitely improved and on top of that he's only 20.

I already pointed out how well he played in the last two weeks of the NBA.

On top of that, Biz has a body that can take a beating in the post, Noel has a body that will snap in the post.

LBJ would absolutely break Noel... No and, or, ifs, or buts about it.

I just want people on this board to quit being so enamored with a prospect that they don't look at both sides of the spectrum (the good and the bad).


Please look at all guys at both spectrum instead of just riding on Len. You've always been a guy who like to bash others who you aren't 'enamored' with.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:59 PM



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:44 PM

Please look at all guys at both spectrum instead of just riding on Len. You've always been a guy who like to bash others who you aren't 'enamored' with.

 

 

That's because I have followed these guys all year, and I have a pretty good idea of what they can and cannot do.

 

So to see people make sh*t up about them to strengthen their argument really annoys me.

 

Kind of like when you were riding Bazz before he even played a college game, now look at him, he might not even be a top 10 pick.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:09 PM

That's because I have followed these guys all year, and I have a pretty good idea of what they can and cannot do.

 

So to see people make sh*t up about them to strengthen their argument really annoys me.

 

Kind of like when you were riding Bazz before he even played a college game, now look at him, he might not even be a top 10 pick.

 

 


I respect your opinion and I have followed this team since the beginning as well. I think we are all hanging around this forum to talk about a team we cheer for. 

 

I don't see it as making poo up just having two different points of views. 

 

You don't see Noel at having all-star potential and thats what it boils down to. I on the other hand do see all-star potential if his knee checks out. I do not see Biz with Allstar potential and that is no knock on Biz just my view of him as a player. 

 

Now as far as wanting players....thats what we do as fans! I wanted Bazz in the middle of the season and I remember getting into good conversations on why Id prefer Bazz over McLemore.

 

Chuck disagreed with me but thats the fun part!

 

If we all just said what you said this forum would suck....

 

I want Len. If he is not there then I would trade...thread over lets not discuss anything.....forum closed.....happy carolinapanther because we all agree with you

 




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