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#13 koolkatluke

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 10:43 PM

We can't make any decisions based on any of our current players especially Biz. I really like Biz and hope he continues to grow but if we have a chance at Noel, we take him. 

 

Biz guards stronger back to the basket players. Noel guards more athletic, quicker players. 

 

This would be temporary of course bc eventually we need a strong post player/scorer. 

 

This would be a wasted pick because neither would bring the value that they were drafted at. And Again you have pretty much the same player on the court at the same time. I rather trade back and take a Zeller, or Olynyk. Who would be better fits with Bizmack.
 



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:24 AM

Len would compliment well with Biz, but Noel is still a highly talented player. I disagree with you on Biz being a better jumper than Noel. Biz is stiff and has heavy hands. All I've been hearing so far is Noel's improvement from 12-15 jumper. Even if Noel doesn't develop a consistent jumper, he's still going to get his offensive game from put backs and lobs.

BiZ

 

 

 

Biz showed  he has been working on his jumper which shows a soft touch as does his hooks. He also showed a up and under move in there some where.

   

 

Noel

 

 

 

 

You will notice no jump shot from Noel at all. You will also notice he finish 3 post up's with a hook shot from his knee's!!! Really??? You will also notice all his point are put backs, Fast breaks and alley hoops.

 

 

Biz has a better jumper right now.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 04:01 AM

Biz finally started to get it those last six games (three of those six games were double-double's).

 

The final six games Biz averaged...

 

8.6 points per game

10.3 rebounds per game

3 blocks per game

 

There is no need to destroy Biz's progression by drafting a player just like him.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:46 AM

Biz has continued to improve.  He's done what we asked of him.  I think the addition to Ewing to the staff could also help his development.  I think if we draft someone with some size to pair him with down low (Len) it'll only improve his game.  Biz is sooooo young, and sometimes I think we forget this.  We knew he was a project.  So far I believe he's doing well for a project, we just have to be patient.  Guy plays hard.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:16 AM

Biz has continued to improve.  He's done what we asked of him.  I think the addition to Ewing to the staff could also help his development.  I think if we draft someone with some size to pair him with down low (Len) it'll only improve his game.  Biz is sooooo young, and sometimes I think we forget this.  We knew he was a project.  So far I believe he's doing well for a project, we just have to be patient.  Guy plays hard.

 

Agreed, but if you draft a player just like him (Noel) then you are taking away time from Biz that he desperately needs to get better.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:18 AM

Oh definitely, I don't want Noel, at all.  We have that high energy defender to put in the game, it's Biz, but what we do need is a center with some size and some scoring ability.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:35 PM


There is no need to destroy Biz's progression by drafting a player just like him.

 

That's silly. No one is destroying Biz' progression by drafting Noel. Noel is much more athletic and probably a better player than Biz. You gotta keep your option open and if Noel is there, you gotta take him.

 

Let's remember that we're going to have to spend some money this off season. Bring in a guy like J.J. Hickson, and this is a great move. Hickson would compliment greatly with both Biz and Noel. Also, Noel is not going to be back till around Christmas. Biz will have all the time to develop.



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 12:38 PM

Agreed, but if you draft a player just like him (Noel) then you are taking away time from Biz that he desperately needs to get better.

 

There's 82 games in a NBA season. Noel is not going to be back till December. How are we taking time away from Biz?



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 02:09 PM

I still don't get why we can't have depth? What's wrong with both Noel and Biz? Do they have to play together? No. Can they? Yes. Offensive part might be a struggle but lets be honest. The NBA is a driving league. 

 

Majority of NBA teams but require a "superstar"

PG: Top PGs are scoring point guards who break down the defense. Some have an outside shot and can shoot the 3 

SG: Now mainly see 3 pt shooting specialists who get the ball after other players drive

SF: Driving to the basket using athleticism 

PF: Stretch floor hit the mid range jumper

C: See PF bc usually no Center on the floor

 

Fundamental Teams (Spurs/Pacers/Memphis) "team basketball"

Same as above except with Post game players at the C or PF positions.

 

So what type of team are we going to be in the future? Can Noel or Biz be a legit post threat? I am assuming Noel is available because Len is already off the board. So if you had to pick Noel/Bennett/Oladipo, who do you pick? 

 

I say go for length. I am sick of the Brandon Haywood, Mullens, Diop combos. 



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:14 PM

Frankly, I don't think Biz is good enough to have any impact on draft plans. It's too early to give up on him but him becoming even an average player is no sure thing- you've gotta have a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" attitude when it comes to young/raw prospects.

 

Anyway, what we think of his development and potential is irrelevant. In the NBA you draft almost exclusively for talent- even if Biz ends up hitting his "best case" there is absolutely no GM in the league who is worried about having too many talented big men regardless of how they fit together. And for a franchise which has been so terrible inside for so long, it's just an absurd concern to have IMO. I would love to have 'too many' good young defensive big men. 

 

If you don't want Noel because of his injury concerns, great, I sympathize. If you don't want Noel because you think there is someone else better available, great, sounds perfectly reasonable. But it makes no sense to not draft him (or anyone else) because we have Biyombo on the roster. The NBA doesn't work like that. 



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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:51 PM

Frankly, I don't think Biz is good enough to have any impact on draft plans. It's too early to give up on him but him becoming even an average player is no sure thing- you've gotta have a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" attitude when it comes to young/raw prospects.

Anyway, what we think of his development and potential is irrelevant. In the NBA you draft almost exclusively for talent- even if Biz ends up hitting his "best case" there is absolutely no GM in the league who is worried about having too many talented big men regardless of how they fit together. And for a franchise which has been so terrible inside for so long, it's just an absurd concern to have IMO. I would love to have 'too many' good young defensive big men.

If you don't want Noel because of his injury concerns, great, I sympathize. If you don't want Noel because you think there is someone else better available, great, sounds perfectly reasonable. But it makes no sense to not draft him (or anyone else) because we have Biyombo on the roster. The NBA doesn't work like that.



120% absolutely correct!!!!

I've been trying to spit this out, but couldn't. I'm glad you read my mind!!! Biz has shown some goods here and there, but nothing yet of being the long term answer. He's still too raw and needs a lot more developing IMO. Biz is not good enough to change our draft plans. If I'm Cho, there is no way I'm letting Biz affect my draft process.

This is how mediocrity begins: when you start drafting by needs bc you have mediocre talents already. We passed up on Jrue Holiday bc we had Felton and DJ at the Point, even when many experts and mock drafts told us to take Holiday. We decided to take Hendo instead.

You take Noel bc his potential is way above Biz. Noel's ceiling is ALL Star caliber. Biz's is a starting role player if ever reached. It's pretty dumb to say you don't want Noel bc we have Biz.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:36 PM

Noel absolutely takes away from Biz's progression.

You can't play both on the floor at the same time because you won't have an offensive post presence and it's more than likely that Noel would see more playing time than Biz.